(04-29-2024, 09:36 PM)KaptainLes Wrote: snip

(04-29-2024, 09:29 PM)Damien Wrote: the fact that almost none of the evidence or points made against tiefling are grounds for demotion kinda proves the point this post was made in saltiness to try and get the last admin (who's the only real voice for for everyone who is either feminine presenting or part of the queer/lgbtq+ community) out so the misogynistic racist assholes can run rampant on the server and excuse their own behavior when they get called out for shitty behavior by downplaying what they were called out for and saying "but this person said they hated straight white men 2 years ago!!!".

The only real thing to even consider is the outside discords being brought up into dinklejecture which in reality outside discords shouldn't matter unless there's encouragement of harassment or other really fucked up behavior from staff members in it (which from what I've seen, is the case lol. don't try to pretend it's different). 

Also, the bunny burrow thing is really fucking petty and everyone involved in making that known to the public should be ashamed of themselves lmao, literally sending your pick me friend in there to lurk and grab screenies is psychotic and you should get help if tiefling staffing and helping out another ttt server makes you this upset.

(04-29-2024, 09:50 PM)Starling Wrote:

(04-29-2024, 09:29 PM)Damien Wrote: spittin

I myself identify bisexual and acesexual and to even merely suggest someone who's actions speak and show the complete opposite of what the lbtgq+ stands for is such a slap in the face to what that organization not only stands for, but for every individual who has ever been targeted for their sexuality, gender or sex.

(04-29-2024, 09:50 PM)Starling Wrote: Now for a real voice for representing femininity and the queer/lbtgq+? Who in their right mind would appoint an individual so appalling to talk down on individuals of the opposite sex when the lbtgq+ is suppose to welcome any individual with open arms regardless of their sex, gender, sexuality and stance within society's labels. Someone who has said in the past that all straight males should perish and even wished death upon an unborn child nonchalantly as if it was a mere greeting. I myself identify bisexual and acesexual and to even merely suggest someone who's actions speak and show the complete opposite of what the lbtgq+ stands for is such a slap in the face to what that organization not only stands for, but for every individual who has ever been targeted for their sexuality, gender or sex.

(04-29-2024, 10:01 PM)alichay Wrote:

(04-29-2024, 09:50 PM)Starling Wrote: Now for a real voice for representing femininity and the queer/lbtgq+? Who in their right mind would appoint an individual so appalling to talk down on individuals of the opposite sex when the lbtgq+ is suppose to welcome any individual with open arms regardless of their sex, gender, sexuality and stance within society's labels. Someone who has said in the past that all straight males should perish and even wished death upon an unborn child nonchalantly as if it was a mere greeting. I myself identify bisexual and acesexual and to even merely suggest someone who's actions speak and show the complete opposite of what the lbtgq+ stands for is such a slap in the face to what that organization not only stands for, but for every individual who has ever been targeted for their sexuality, gender or sex.

organization??????? i'll try to be kind and charitable here: if you've EVER spent time in queer spaces or around queer people, this is EXTREMELY normal behavior. it's normal for minorities and people disadvantaged by society (such as queer people or women) to make these jokes. Especially if you're intersect multiple groups.

Literally every queer person i've ever met has said things like this. you don't (and can not) speak for women or for queer people as a whole.

(04-29-2024, 10:03 PM)Starling Wrote:

(04-29-2024, 10:01 PM)alichay Wrote:

(04-29-2024, 09:50 PM)Starling Wrote: Now for a real voice for representing femininity and the queer/lbtgq+? Who in their right mind would appoint an individual so appalling to talk down on individuals of the opposite sex when the lbtgq+ is suppose to welcome any individual with open arms regardless of their sex, gender, sexuality and stance within society's labels. Someone who has said in the past that all straight males should perish and even wished death upon an unborn child nonchalantly as if it was a mere greeting. I myself identify bisexual and acesexual and to even merely suggest someone who's actions speak and show the complete opposite of what the lbtgq+ stands for is such a slap in the face to what that organization not only stands for, but for every individual who has ever been targeted for their sexuality, gender or sex.

organization??????? i'll try to be kind and charitable here: if you've EVER spent time in queer spaces or around queer people, this is EXTREMELY normal behavior. it's normal for minorities and people disadvantaged by society (such as queer people or women) to make these jokes. Especially if you're intersect multiple groups.

Literally every queer person i've ever met has said things like this. you don't (and can not) speak for women or for queer people as a whole.

Now I do believe Damien can be quotes saying Teifling is "... the only real voice for for everyone who is either feminine presenting or part of the queer/lgbtq+ community)" so do explain why you are not going after that quote? 

(04-29-2024, 09:57 PM)proper Wrote:

(04-29-2024, 09:50 PM)Starling Wrote: Now for a real voice for representing femininity and the queer/lbtgq+? Who in their right mind would appoint an individual so appalling to talk down on individuals of the opposite sex when the lbtgq+ is suppose to welcome any individual with open arms regardless of their sex, gender, sexuality and stance within society's labels. Someone who has said in the past that all straight males should perish and even wished death upon an unborn child nonchalantly as if it was a mere greeting. I myself identify bisexual and acesexual and to even merely suggest someone who's actions speak and show the complete opposite of what the lbtgq+ stands for is such a slap in the face to what that organization not only stands for, but for every individual who has ever been targeted for their sexuality, gender or sex.

true, we should modify lgbtq+ to be more inclusive to cishet men! AS A BISEXUAL FEMALE, thank you for representing all of us in the queer community.

(04-29-2024, 10:03 PM)Starling Wrote:

(04-29-2024, 10:01 PM)alichay Wrote:

(04-29-2024, 09:50 PM)Starling Wrote: Now for a real voice for representing femininity and the queer/lbtgq+? --snip--

Now I do believe Damien can be quotes saying Teifling is "... the only real voice for for everyone who is either feminine presenting or part of the queer/lgbtq+ community)" so do explain why you are not going after that quote? 

(04-29-2024, 10:05 PM)Avi Wrote: I was told I could post this, so here are some screenshots with a situation that was handled incorrectly.  Essentially the staff were unsure how a rule worked on server, Foxka (not staff at the time) was explaining the rule (which he was correct per the MOTD), and the staff went to Tiefling for guidance outside of the server.  Tiefling incorrectly informed them of the rule and the situation was mishandled on server.  
--snip--
I can't say I can remember or know of other instances where rules were misinterpreted by Tiefling.

My main issue isn't this however, rather my experience playing with Tiefling on the server.  I was gone from the community for a couple of years, so I really know nothing of Tiefling before coming back earlier this year.  One of my first interactions with Tiefling felt off.  It probably won't mean a lot to most, but it came off as uncomfortable to me when it happened.
I was just playing TTT as it was, as a traitor, and killed Tiefling as an innocent.  I immediately received this pm on server:
--snip--

At this point I knew nothing about Tiefling, had only played on server a couple of times with her, and it came off more mad that I shot her than anything.  I wouldn't think too much about it, but I've come to find out that others have felt the same way with comments like that on server (that's on them to share, I'm only going to share my experiences here).

There were other things I noticed, but I've discussed those with other admins, and if they think it's necessary, they can have a conversation about it.

(04-29-2024, 10:07 PM)alichay Wrote:

(04-29-2024, 10:03 PM)Starling Wrote:

(04-29-2024, 10:01 PM)alichay Wrote:

(04-29-2024, 09:50 PM)Starling Wrote: Now for a real voice for representing femininity and the queer/lbtgq+? --snip--

Now I do believe Damien can be quotes saying Teifling is "... the only real voice for for everyone who is either feminine presenting or part of the queer/lgbtq+ community)" so do explain why you are not going after that quote? 

I'm probably the 10% she doesn't :/

staff does NOT have a lot of queer women. tiefling is one of the rare few. also, while i've had some private disagreements with things she's said, like 90% of the time her takes are in line with what i'd expect from a queer women - especially one that has to babysit this community lmao

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(04-29-2024, 10:05 PM)Avi Wrote: I was told I could post this, so here are some screenshots with a situation that was handled incorrectly.  Essentially the staff were unsure how a rule worked on server, Foxka (not staff at the time) was explaining the rule (which he was correct per the MOTD), and the staff went to Tiefling for guidance outside of the server.  Tiefling incorrectly informed them of the rule and the situation was mishandled on server.  
--snip--
I can't say I can remember or know of other instances where rules were misinterpreted by Tiefling.

My main issue isn't this however, rather my experience playing with Tiefling on the server.  I was gone from the community for a couple of years, so I really know nothing of Tiefling before coming back earlier this year.  One of my first interactions with Tiefling felt off.  It probably won't mean a lot to most, but it came off as uncomfortable to me when it happened.
I was just playing TTT as it was, as a traitor, and killed Tiefling as an innocent.  I immediately received this pm on server:
--snip--

At this point I knew nothing about Tiefling, had only played on server a couple of times with her, and it came off more mad that I shot her than anything.  I wouldn't think too much about it, but I've come to find out that others have felt the same way with comments like that on server (that's on them to share, I'm only going to share my experiences here).

There were other things I noticed, but I've discussed those with other admins, and if they think it's necessary, they can have a conversation about it.

1. people make mistakes. one mishandled incident does not justify a demotion.
2. this is called a joke. I send messages like that all the time with people i'm trying to be friendly with.