(04-29-2018, 10:56 PM)ReThink Wrote:

(04-29-2018, 09:12 PM)BacArdi M. Wrote: Ok, where to begin here.

The teleporting issue: You said in the game voice chat "I'm stuck, help," which any staff would respond to by bringing you. After I brought you, you were walking around and said "Oh god no my C4," and seeing as I didn't know you were proven and it was overtime, that was enough for a sus so I killed you. You shouldn't have said you were stuck, because that will result in you getting teleported. If we're also playing the game, there's no way we can immediately confirm or disprove that you're actually stuck or in a running gun battle, but we're going to help you and if you abuse that then that's 100% on you and therefore a bad argument. It's a weak argument at best and advocating exploiting our desire to help at worst. Again, if you say "I'm stuck, someone help" at any point pre- or during round, any half-competent staff member is going to teleport you.

I didn't take advantage of the teleport to kill you, I would've KOSed you for saying what you said no matter where you were. And on the "petty mutes and gags," they're not petty. There's been an exceeding level of cancer and toxicity on the server since the "gamer" thing has happened, and yourself and others have partaken in racism, trolling, and general harassment of others. Sorry, but I'm not going to sit idly back and allow you to make the server a living hell. Ask @Gabe , @ReThink , @"Guru Drak", @Summer and any other regulars who were on last night, and they'll tell you that when I mute/gag people, those people are being general assholes and it's for the best that they take a time out. As you were doing last night. You need to look at yourself and your own actions before accusing others for trying to keep you in line.

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(04-29-2018, 07:19 PM)Sassy Phoenix Wrote: You shouldn't teleport people unless they ask, being stuck can be a good thing. Also I've seen him abuse commands for fun a lot, sometimes its funny others its not, but bringing people to just kill them mid-round is a dick move regardless.

I'd never straight up teleport someone mid-round just to kill them, that's such a gross abuse of power that I wouldn't even consider it and hope anyone who does so has to answer for doing such. I teleported him because he said he was stuck, and virtually every other time I've teleported a stuck person up to now, it has been on the basis of them saying "I'm stuck, help" and nobody has had an issue with it seeing as they are explicitly asking for assistance in not being stuck. Like I said, I killed him after I had brought him (not sure on the exact timing, but definitely not instant) because after I brought him he made a traitorous statement. And if you've seen me abuse commands, it's probably because someone I'm friends with asked them to gag them and finds it funny. I always immediately ungag them. Nopleez is quite evidently just angry about the fact that I muted/gagged him last night (I forget which) because he was being an asshat.

Can confirm. @BacArdi M., from my experience, doesn't do anything without reason. More extreme compared to other mods? Sure, on occasion. He shuts shit down real quick though, and I personally haven't seen him abuse anything, so I'm not sure what the aforementioned "history of abuse" is.

Unorthodox methods does not make him a bad mod, people just complain when a mod cuts the bullshit because they know they're doing something wrong. Mods don't have to entertain bullshit reasoning; if they have evidence/proof that people are doing dumb shit to hinder gameplay, they can act as per the rules. Usually that's just a formality that most entertain. Obviously it's risky if you choose to skip right to punishment, because if there is counter-evidence and you make a mistake, your ass is on the line. I don't feel like this is one of those cases.

I don't see @nopleez providing any solid evidence against @BacArdi M., and it would be unfair to assume an accusation is true just because there were past issues. Obviously skepticism is fair, but this reaction seems extreme.

Also slightly off topic, but @nopleez T-baiting is T-baiting, regardless if you're proven inno or not. Very few "reasons to call KOS" are conditional, and most still apply to proven innos.

EDIT: The most "abuse" of commands i've seen him to is teleport me to the top of the map AFTER the round is over during "end of round" time in response to me making a snarky comment to him, which I personally find hilarious, and don't view as abuse.

EDIT 2: Just watched video. Use of the bring command was excessive at worst. He did follow through with the T-bait KOS rather strangely, but (to my knowledge) isn't explicitly against any rules. It really just expedited the process, not doing anything that he shouldn't/couldn't already do. Personally can see how it's unsavory, but I don't think it's anything worthy of the shitshow it's being made to be.

It's definitely a grey area situation, because (if i'm correct in my line of thinking) he teleported you because he legitimately thought you were stuck, and then thought "might as well KOS for Tbait since he's right here now", which I can see how it would be viewed as sketchy if it was premeditated, because then it looks like abuse. To check if you were actually stuck  though, wouldnt he have to teleport to you? At which point, he would just kill you there. So I don't see any situation where he could play the game normally without it making him look bad. The situation you set up @nopleez really didn't give him any good options as both a mod and a player, so I don't think this could be considered abuse.

(04-29-2018, 11:14 PM)BacArdi M. Wrote: I didn't feel great about killing him after I TPed him, but he T-baited after I brought him, not before. If he'd T-baited before I brought him, I would've let him run off and then gone after him after waiting a while. I didn't feel great about doing it, and it did feel a little sleazy, but the gameplay necessitated it. And frankly, this whole thing kind of seems like manufactured entrapment because he was mad about having his behavior called out and wanted to fault me for something.

(04-29-2018, 11:49 PM)King Tiger Ace Fasda22 Wrote: Just hoppin in on this, it seems that Nopleez is aiming at that Bacardi should've responded to his quote of being stuck with the simple question: "Do you need a tp, Nopleez?" That way you verify if the player needs a teleport or not. If he doesnt tespond push till you get an answer.

I've yet to see nopleez upset about being killed so i myself dont see much salt in this. More of a confusion and good intentions of giving Bacardi a lesson in staffing concerning the !bring command...

(04-29-2018, 11:57 PM)Summer Wrote: I think there does need to be an alternative to !bring for players, such as the !unstuck command in prophunt, like Bacardi suggested. That way staff won't get caught up in this, but if caught abusing it (such as getting away from a traitor) its slayable/bannable.

Edit: I'm an idiot.