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RE: Staff Abuse Report - bunniey - 04-29-2024 actually decided i dont really care theres not enough here thats tangible and the one damning thing has no evidence theres more nut its still nothing enough, just a "wow theyre kinda strange and a bit hypocritical but who isnt" stuff also in case theres any of these thoughts on this, i wasnt involved and only just now found out i was even mentioned, despite it just being as an example okokok RE: Staff Abuse Report - chelllman - 04-29-2024 (04-28-2024, 11:17 PM)BIIG_SAD Wrote: -snip (04-28-2024, 11:45 PM)BIIG_SAD Wrote: -snip- BIIG_SAD, what did I just post this week about communicating better? These responses from you further highlight that you absolutely should not ascend to PH admin. You've deliberately chosen to use very divisive language here and make a comparison between the alleged behavior of an admin of a drama-filled online community to one of the most evil organizations to ever exist? Admins are meant to deescalate, be objective, and most importantly wait to draw conclusions until they feel they have enough evidence to pass judgement. "Secret police"? What in the world are you on about. This just makes me embarrassed that you were even promoted to mod for PH at this point because as a mod you are supposed to be a leader. I don't agree with everything Tiefling has said or done during her tenure as TTT admin, but I'm not going to just take everything in the document at face value without at least reading her response first. You immediately took everything at face value and started drawing some of the most wild comparisons I've ever seen a staff member make. For example, there's a critical mistake in even the first charge made in the document, so it definitely warrants a close look for accuracy (which you did not do). At this point, I would rather PH have no admin forever than let you have the rank after these replies you made. *EDIT* - Rand DM'd me letting me know about a different leak than I was thinking of so my comment was about something else. RE: Staff Abuse Report - Nate - 04-29-2024 I won’t comment much about the doc, but I think one of the biggest issues is that I know of very few that DO trust Tiefling as an admin. I have discussed this topic with several regulars and other staff members; even Prop Hunt staff. Outside of her friends, not one has told me they trust Tiefling. I have been told by multiple people that they believe she is too biased and incompetent to be staff, let alone admin. That she is untrustworthy and even her style of staffing is something to question. That she has burned several bridges and lacks the communication skills to repair any relationships within the community. I will say that a lot of this Google doc is irrelevant (a lot of it is relevant as well), but for me, the lack of trust by a huge margin of the community is something to look into. RE: Staff Abuse Report - frost - 04-29-2024 probably should do more research before making a document like this, seems like you got a lot of it wrong and used your personal biases on most of it. RE: Staff Abuse Report - Super Milk Chan - 04-29-2024 The meme below is the reason for my post, but I better add some input so my shit dose not get removed.
Staffing on multiple servers is not a problem. no one owes the community anything. There is some genuine feedback mixed in that I agree with, people are overly sensitive to common words and terms, intention should always be taken into account over the use of a word all together, this is so much less effort for everyone as well. I don't like the way this is being presented, the best way to deal with a problem from someone is to take it on one subject at a time. Putting it all into this long ass post has me questioning the actual intention behind something like this, it's hard to address and even harder to come to a conclusion all party's can be happy with and is the reason why it is hard to look at something like this and not see it as a attack. anyway i'm not staff anymore, shut the fuck up. RE: Staff Abuse Report - Dildo Shwaggins - 04-29-2024 Reading the responses and sleeping on the document, I have some more brief but big-picture issues that I think led to a lot of the recent fiasco. 1. Chris Farley said it pretty well- lack of trust in the administration is the core of the issue. And I think one of the lack of trust’s largest factor is the overreach. The messages to several community members of “hey are you in this discord” for example are stepping too far. Also in tiefling’s response, correct me if I’m wrong on reading this, but it seems like the part of “ignoring rule violations” is overstepping as well if if it’s giving the implication of applying Dink’s rules to servers that are not under Dink’s administration purview. That’s not to say if for example someone is actively being stalked or harassed in Dink’s and is getting followed or also harassed in another space that relevant evidence can’t come from that if the victim or a concerned netizen comes forward, but actively patrolling and applying Dink’s rules to outside servers is overreach that should be curtailed. 2. A bit adjacent to that, the recent server culture has been to backhandedly gather “dirt” on community members by “leaks” and the like. By making so many interactions and things so public, it’s inevitable that people are going to see shit talked about them on all sides and it will be impossible in the “mutual” space- the forums, main discord, etc it makes it damn near impossible to be civil when you saw that same person saying something behind their back. And this is something that’s really hard if not impossible to remedy in an online space with relative anonymity. Personally? I think “let people talk their shit in their own spaces, but be civil in mutual spaces” has been the MO of the whole server for a while and has kept things civil, in a way. When someone goes too far, it should be handled of course. But the culture has shifted towards everything being “open” to the point of if you wanted to find dirt on anyone, you can find it if you search hard enough. 3. Clearer guidelines for “poaching” are needed. Regardless of who cares or doesn’t care beyond Dink himself, it should be something clarified in staff guidelines as to whether it’s acceptable at all, for certain levels of staff, etc 4. The edit of what I was thinking of- the division in the community overall. There is an overarching feel of Dink’s now being two separate communities at odds with each other and slinging shit back and forth with major allegations that are difficult to verify without either exposing someone to the risk of retaliation or are baseless as they lacked or misconstrued context. And that division has kinda been happening for a few years in this community. That’s not to say having your own discords is a bad thing, having friends is okay. But many of the most active members of the community have definitely been more in their own spaces as opposed to doing things together as a community and as more people developed feuds or had different visions for the community, the split went further until things collapsed into a mess. Lemon’s thread was a good example of the level of division that this community is at, and it’s gotten ugly as to what lengths people will go and tactics they will use to try and forward their vision of the community. (Tl;Dr this place feels like the US Congress) RE: Staff Abuse Report - Noire ♜ - 04-29-2024 First of all, I'd like to remind everyone that Tiefling Lesbian is an Admin, she should be held at a higher standard.
RE: Staff Abuse Report - Ryan - 04-29-2024 (04-29-2024, 07:36 AM)Chris Farley Wrote: I won’t comment much about the doc, but I think one of the biggest issues is that I know of very few that DO trust Tiefling as an admin. I have discussed this topic with several regulars and other staff members; even Prop Hunt staff. Outside of her friends, not one has told me they trust Tiefling. [...] the lack of trust by a huge margin of the community is something to look into.Thank you for saving me from having to think today... This pretty much sums up my thoughts. I regret not posting it on the admin app about how divisive even the topic of tiefling was, but I considered myself too new at the time to have a valid opinion. One of my other gripes about you as an admin is that you dont talk in the server. Or barely do. You not having a mic came up in your admin app, but what really should have been brought up is your lack of interaction with the community when you play. I dont think any of what Chris or I have said rises to the point of demotion. I just ask that you hear our concerns with open ears. RE: Staff Abuse Report - CrAcKbOnE - 04-29-2024 Got here before the thread got closed! No way am I reading all this, just gonna throw out a few points regarding this whole clique war: 1. Everyone who says Tiefling staffing at a high level or owning different servers isn't a problem is a fucking idiot or just blindly biased. If she was neutral with everyone it would still be debatable, but it's clear from what has been provided that she dislikes a large chunk of the community so do you honestly think that kind of dynamic is healthy and can't cause harm to the server? Wtf even is "conflict of interest"? Also we still can't even mention that "one" server without getting in trouble from staff let alone have a prominent member of the community be an owner of another server. 2. The whole drama on the forums has been handeled terribly. I missed the drama on discord but seems it was handled simularly (aka not handled at all). To be fair the forum part is probably more Gabes fault, but the whole thing was definetly sided towards for tieflings clique. Everyone was warned several times to stop discussing this drama and when everyone kept going pretty much nothing was done. While yes, letting Volfs terrible post cook was great it doesn't change that It shouldn't have gotten to that point in the first place. Forbidden topics used to be removed or closed off as soon as possible. When Matt was in charge or at least closed when they devolved into mud slinging and during this whole ordeal the majority of the posts did end up like that. Anything that could have been classified as such should have been closed no matter what side the post was. Out of all the admins Tiefling def had the most influence with her clique during this drama and didn't do anything to discourage everyone and I would argue that she actively participated in it. RE: Staff Abuse Report - 茶 Tea - 04-29-2024 11. spying on private discords to collect evidence of minor rulebreaking is crazy 12. expecting others to spy on private discords to collect evidence of minor rulebreaking is crazy 13. FOXKA FUCKING ASKED i don't know why you have such a hardon about foxka asking a question and getting an answer. you have much more compelling evidence as i've mentioned multiple times on this thread 14. anyone who still blames cliques as a major dinkletributing factor to the current drama needs to take a step back and realize that what you're saying is fucking stupid 15. making an 18-page google doc where you accuse others of spying on private discords and then expecting others to spy on private discords to collect evidence of minor rulebreaking is crazy and i don't need anyone but p.s. i would like to reiterate that tiefling lesbian is quite frankly the only ttt admin who cares about the rampant misogyny in this server so if people don't trust her as admin i question many of their motives. that said she also takes the rules of a garry's mod server somewhat too seriously so i kind of get it. i got banned from the discord for saying this but it's true. too many of our upper staff are willing to excuse the misogyny and racism on this server and if it kicks off a month of dinkledrama then that's their own fucking fault. edited for clarity |