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banned for threatening to groom a hypothetical minor (not sincerely) - soft speckled squirmer - 06-28-2022

Ingame Name: 
rotten cleric
SteamID: 
STEAM_0:0:43225030
Who Banned You: 
dong
Reason For Ban: 
there was some convo going on about moat.gg and their shutdown, the rumors about the pedophile stuff going on there got brought up, I mentioned the adrenochrome stuff related to them (that second bit is just a joke rumor since adrenochrome being linked to child sex rings is more of a Qanon pizzagate type deal and is more removed from reality than the actual rings of pedophilia that operate at the elite level in our society, but that's neither here nor there), this turned into some discussion on how gmod servers and discord servers have both been havens for online pedophiles/groomers/general creepery, someone claimed that this was a discord problem and not a gmod problem (which I disagreed with), which I replied to with something along the lines of "gmod has always been a place where minors get groomed(even before discord)," and followed up with (this one is an exact quote) "I'll groom a minor right now."  That last statement is why dong banned me, since pedophile comments are perma-bannable on the server (I guess I was not aware the extent to which that rule applied, though obviously that statement is pretty damning taken as a snippet).
Length of Ban: 
perma
Reason for Admins to Unban: 
I feel a bit sheepish being here again so soon after just making an appeal saying I was going to "keep it goofy and not graphic;" in the context of what was being discussed in the voice/text chat at that time, what I said was pretty clearly a jab at how easily grooming can occur (and historically has) in these sorts of online spaces, I was trying to prove my point to whoever was contesting that it was more an issue of discord than one of gmod (a point which I thought had too many holes to hold water).  In hindsight I may have let that get away from me since talking about grooming minors is something the staff have to take seriously, should have either phrased that better or not at all, or maybe have just let the conversation slip into obscurity (this was a convo happening between like 4 or 5 people to my memory).  I feel like I should note on here that this was pedophilia being discussed in a negative light, as in everyone was under the assumption of "pedos and groomers do despicable things that no one here agrees with or would defend," it was being talked about in the context of "this part of the internet has had a lot of these things happen" with questions being asked about where exactly and what environments were the worst about facilitating it.  Apologies for getting too close to ironyposting about grooming minors, I should have taken into account what that sentence looked like outside of the argument being structured in my head.  Conversations about gmod and discord pedophilia might in general be a bit too mucky to be discussed in a TTT server in the first place.
Have you been banned before (Link relevant threads): 
once for giving an inno a homerun bat as T (teaming), once for mic spam, must a few short rdm&leave bans in there somewhere, and once for just under a year for linking a video of two chimpanzees mating (complete with graphic closeups), https://www.dinklebergsgmod.com/site/showthread.php?tid=16504
Other:
I don't have a signature but here is a picture of a cool leaf katydid I found    

RE: banned for threatening to groom a hypothetical minor (not sincerely) - Damien - 06-28-2022

-1 now and a potential reduction in the far future. Pedo comments/jokes like that aren't cool or funny. That's honestly so disgusting you said that and I hope you do better in the future.

RE: banned for threatening to groom a hypothetical minor (not sincerely) - Icey - 06-28-2022

You can't be saying stupid shit dude. This server takes pedophilia and jokes about it very seriously (for a reason). We have multiple kids that play on this server so even jokes like that are not allowed. I'm a +1 because you obviously just fucked up, but you have to be smarter.

RE: banned for threatening to groom a hypothetical minor (not sincerely) - Wrom - 06-28-2022

I'm a -1 pedo jokes are disgusting and aren't aloud its not funny in any way good luck though

RE: banned for threatening to groom a hypothetical minor (not sincerely) - A Steel Waffle - 06-28-2022

(06-28-2022, 09:24 PM)Wrom Wrote: I'm a -1 pedo jokes are disgusting and aren't aloud its not funny in any way good luck though
I know I am going to be in the minority here but things were said and others clearly stuff that what pretty out of character on this one even queued discord mods and something about grooming. I know this is a clear violation but to be truly honest he wasn't a consistentley bad member. Even Jager was like hey is what I queued ok? I am all for banning jokes like this however the topic shouldn't have been brought up in the 1st place. He didn't start the conversation. Even I was surprised that he got banned. I am a member with 3 weeks of playtime on their belt.I did witness this and was quite surprised by the ban. I understand why it is taken seriously but I know for a fact there was nothing in my opinion that warranted him getting the permanent ban there were alot of jokes thrown about so I do think he did feel he was okay with this comment considering what all was said. We all make stupid comments in a moment like this I would like to see him unmanned as he isn't a bad player in my eyes just said something that went too far.

RE: banned for threatening to groom a hypothetical minor (not sincerely) - Damien - 06-28-2022

(06-28-2022, 09:43 PM)A Steel Waffle Wrote: I know I am going to be in the minority here but things were said and others clearly stuff that what pretty out of character on this one even queued discord mods and something about grooming. I know this is a clear violation but to be truly honest he wasn't a consistentley bad member. Even Jager was like hey is what I queued ok? I am all for banning jokes like this however the topic shouldn't have been brought up in the 1st place. He didn't start the conversation. Even I was surprised that he got banned. I am a member with 3 weeks of playtime on their belt.I did witness this and was quite surprised by the ban. I understand why it is taken seriously but I know for a fact there was nothing in my opinion that warranted him getting the permanent ban there were alot of jokes thrown about so I do think he did feel he was okay with this comment considering what all was said. We all make stupid comments in a moment like this I would like to see him unmanned as he isn't a bad player in my eyes just said something that went too far.
Regardless of if he started it or not, he has the cognitive ability to choose NOT to make these kinds of jokes.

RE: banned for threatening to groom a hypothetical minor (not sincerely) - RussEfarmer - 06-28-2022

+1 for reduction from a perma at least because of context but saying shit like that is really dumb

RE: banned for threatening to groom a hypothetical minor (not sincerely) - murl - 06-28-2022

I've played frequently with rotten cleric the past month or so and I don't really recall any bad experiences with them before seeing this. Usually players that have ill-will in this manner say weird things constantly, so I'm thinking this was just a case of someone letting an intrusive thought out and saying some really dumb shit. The guy doesn't deserve the dinkleberg death sentence though.

To be fair, the responses above are somewhat justified - would you ever say anything that weird to a group of friends IRL? probably not. keep in mind there are most likely minors on the server too. have better self control of your dark humor and you should be good.

+1 for reduction

RE: banned for threatening to groom a hypothetical minor (not sincerely) - Jammin - 06-28-2022

My main concern is your history with saying weird/sexual stuff in the server. You literally just got unbanned from posting graphic porn in server and already made questionable jokes.
I'd like to gain more context into how bad the jokes were but we take these things pretty seriously

RE: banned for threatening to groom a hypothetical minor (not sincerely) - soft speckled squirmer - 06-28-2022

(06-28-2022, 09:44 PM)Damien Wrote:
(06-28-2022, 09:43 PM)A Steel Waffle Wrote: I know I am going to be in the minority here but things were said and others clearly stuff that what pretty out of character on this one even queued discord mods and something about grooming. I know this is a clear violation but to be truly honest he wasn't a consistentley bad member. Even Jager was like hey is what I queued ok? I am all for banning jokes like this however the topic shouldn't have been brought up in the 1st place. He didn't start the conversation. Even I was surprised that he got banned. I am a member with 3 weeks of playtime on their belt.I did witness this and was quite surprised by the ban. I understand why it is taken seriously but I know for a fact there was nothing in my opinion that warranted him getting the permanent ban there were alot of jokes thrown about so I do think he did feel he was okay with this comment considering what all was said. We all make stupid comments in a moment like this I would like to see him unmanned as he isn't a bad player in my eyes just said something that went too far.
Regardless of if he started it or not, he has the cognitive ability to choose NOT to make these kinds of jokes.
Yes god forbid anything have nuance, the extent of any of your comments here have been "you did it and so you need to be banned" or "you're disgusting," context never matters and righteousness must prevail.  I'm not getting all Ricky Gervais here, I think it is okay for people to have some limits on what they will or will not joke about, but is your own opinion on the matter so glowing to you that you have to push down any kind of dissent?  "Oh that waffle is trying to make points that don't directly line up with the absolute I have outlined, I'd better hurry down here and state why all his points are invalid because (re-state absolute)."  You have people on here over the voice chat talking about how they're going to do horrible or explicit things to people (jokingly or otherwise) and usually as long as it's not too targeted or detailed the result is usually just a gag or a warning; I understand that you feel the need to draw lines on these kinds of topics but it seems more prudent to treat it as a spectrum.
(06-28-2022, 10:14 PM)Jammin Wrote: My main concern is your history with saying weird/sexual stuff in the server. You literally just got unbanned from posting graphic porn in server and already made questionable jokes.
I'd like to gain more context into how bad the jokes were but we take these things pretty seriously
Yeah that position makes sense, I have been keeping that manner of shitposting more in line for the most part; I did not register this particular snippet as breaking the same rule in my head (at least in the immediate) since it was part of a more serious discussion, but it's still not really something that should be typed into the chat in the first place if that's how this particular topic is handled.
(06-28-2022, 10:14 PM)Jammin Wrote: My main concern is your history with saying weird/sexual stuff in the server. You literally just got unbanned from posting graphic porn in server and already made questionable jokes.
I'd like to gain more context into how bad the jokes were but we take these things pretty seriously
You said you would like to gain more context, I am not entirely sure how to provide that beyond what I have already described, I don't record or anything and most of this was happening over voice chat (which I can hear but w/o mic so I type).