[[Yellow] Travis1421]

In light of recent events on the forums, I've got one question to ask. Why in the hell would we(the staff) be transparent with you about something such as child pornography when all you have done in the past is make fun of every situation that has come up? People literally have made jokes within 2 days of us having to ban both Gebriel AND Abdel. You guys are gonna say that we shouldn't care because they're sickos and such but we were friends with them at one point. You can't tell me that you wouldn't the slightest bit of upset if someone who you were fairly close with came out to be a pedophile. Someone you knew for months and didn't realise it. I genuinely want to know why you think that we would say ANYTHING on that when the community has proven time and time again that all it does is shitpost.

[bunniey]

If punishments are issued differently based on what is going on behind closed doors, which everyone involved said they were, then we should know when something is going on behind closed doors. That only makes sense. I mean, obviously the biggest thing is that punishments should never be different for anything, but I completely understand, and always have, that certain people and certain situations change things, and the human condition means nothing is absolute. So the only real solution to that is to make sure people know if something is going on that's serious.

And, no one made jokes about the two of them yet, as far as I know. Including them on a list, as "disgusting" as it may be to "take the time to make that list", it wasn't a joke, and wasn't intended. I can see how one might think it's in poor taste, I still don't really think so but I'll admit I'm just heavily desensitized to this, as I've been where you are a few too many times to have the luxury to get too hurt about it. But I don't think anything that was said, by us at the very least, can be constituted as a joke. But, obviously I can't argue that, if you think it was then that's fine. Just my thoughts on it.

[[Yellow] Travis1421]

If punishments are issued differently based on what is going on behind closed doors, which everyone involved said they were, then we should know when something is going on behind closed doors. That only makes sense. I mean, obviously the biggest thing is that punishments should never be different for anything, but I completely understand, and always have, that certain people and certain situations change things, and the human condition means nothing is absolute. So the only real solution to that is to make sure people know if something is going on that's serious.

And, no one made jokes about the two of them yet, as far as I know. Including them on a list, as "disgusting" as it may be to "take the time to make that list", it wasn't a joke, and wasn't intended. I can see how one might think it's in poor taste, I still don't really think so but I'll admit I'm just heavily desensitized to this, as I've been where you are a few too many times to have the luxury to get too hurt about it. But I don't think anything that was said, by us at the very least, can be constituted as a joke. But, obviously I can't argue that, if you think it was then that's fine. Just my thoughts on it.

I wasn't making reference to you guys necessarily. You must not have paid attention to the discord shortly after Gebriel got banned. Seeing as how I had to report someone in the discord for making the "Pedo Hunt" joke again. I saw at least 4 people make jokes and they all got told to stop but yet they mocked the people asking them to stop. No maybe it wasn't necessarily your group of friends but I know others did.

Edit: Also. Making a tier list of drama in the server and posting it on the public forums isn't a bright idea in my opinion. Why do we need a tier list of drama? We discuss the drama enough as is. If you want to make a tier list, fine but keep it amongst your friends and those who'll find it funny. Not on a public forum. Remember. Dinks is a public internet area where you should realise that not everything that comes out of your private discord should go.

[Gabeolo]

Because the punishments have been shown to get adjusted due to "bad timing" for shit that we don't even know about, among other things.

[bunniey]

-snipifiactuallydidthisrightitlooksweirdhelp-

Ah, I gotcha. I didn't know about that, I figured it was about us since I'm always the one wanting transparency, that's my b. I still think what I said in the first paragraph, though.

edit for your edit: I just entirely disagree. Loads of people found it funny in some way, many who aren't in our discord. I think it's the perfect place to bring it up, it shaped the community, and in hindsight is just funny to talk about. It's almost all in jest, and most everyone understands that. I definitely wouldn't say it amounts to the woes of our group, considering most of them didn't involve us at all. The more people that view it in jest, the better, that's what we want, anyway. It was and is meant to be lighthearted. I see nothing wrong with that, and 100% would post it again without the references to the four terrible people, but I know that won't ever be allowed. I'll die on that hill, nothing is wrong with bringing stuff up.

[lacer]

im stupid

[Agent Barton]

Couldn't agree more with this. We've been having a rough time over on ph with both recent staff issues (which we've never hidden) and the CP asshole. It's not been fun. And to see people crack jokes at our expense and troll the hell out of whatever has happened recently just kinda sucks.

So yeah. I don't think ph will be in any hurry to publicly share server issues any time soon, especially now.

[[Yellow] Travis1421]

Because the punishments have been shown to get adjusted due to "bad timing" for shit that we don't even know about, among other things.

I personally do not believe that a community needs to know about child pornography. Those who need to know should. I'm personally not comfortable with letting this community in particular know everything because all they do is make shitposts and fun of those trying to handle the situations. If the community could "grow up" a bit, I'd be a lot happier with sharing that kind of information. But I've known this community long enough to see that they'll make fun of everything and anything in public. Knowing the audience and reading the room is very important when making a joke and some people here just don't care.

[La Flama Blanca]

If punishments are issued differently based on what is going on behind closed doors, which everyone involved said they were, then we should know when something is going on behind closed doors. That only makes sense. I mean, obviously the biggest thing is that punishments should never be different for anything, but I completely understand, and always have, that certain people and certain situations change things, and the human condition means nothing is absolute. So the only real solution to that is to make sure people know if something is going on that's serious.

And, no one made jokes about the two of them yet, as far as I know. Including them on a list, as "disgusting" as it may be to "take the time to make that list", it wasn't a joke, and wasn't intended. I can see how one might think it's in poor taste, I still don't really think so but I'll admit I'm just heavily desensitized to this, as I've been where you are a few too many times to have the luxury to get too hurt about it. But I don't think anything that was said, by us at the very least, can be constituted as a joke. But, obviously I can't argue that, if you think it was then that's fine. Just my thoughts on it.

[bunniey]

snorp

refer to my other reply to travis, thank you