12-12-2020, 04:16 AM
Ok fine dedicated response time.
I'm gonna keep this short. You cannot accurately compare bhopping and exploiting the grappling hook to gain horizontal momentum. Bhopping is purely skill-based, while really anyone can exploit the grappling hook provided they know what they're doing. Bhopping is largely contained within the limits of the map's ground-space, meaning it becomes increasingly difficult the more abnormal the layout of the map. It's a reason those who like to bhop prefer larger, flatter maps. Meanwhile the grapple exploit can be done on basically any map with open space regardless of the layout and allows a version of flight to a limited extent, making it much more difficult to properly kill a player. Not to mention that the exploit also gains and keeps momentum much quicker than b-hopping. This is why it is banned and will continue to be banned.
As I mentioned in my original post this largely comes down to a balance between how much we are wanting to nerf things for a competitive sake and the overall fun environment of the server. You cannot balance this game like you would another game like CS:GO, Overwatch, or R6. This is a 16-year old game running on a 17-year old engine, on a modified gamemode with almost 50+ different addons made by different developers. What all those past and present have worked towards was making the server enjoyable for as many people as possible. I also believe the server has succeeded in that aspect, as we have a decently-sized player base who enjoy and play on the server regularly with no shortages of new players.
In terms of the jumppack add-on we use, I fully against removing it entirely and will be until a better alternative is available. For those of you who didn't see it, I suggest reading @Gabe's post he made on it by clicking here. If we're able to find a better alternative by all means suggest them however a flat removal has too many inconsistencies.
TLDR: B-hopping =/= grapple exploiting. Hard to compare them to begin with but I can see why they are. At this time, the jumppack will be staying. There are arguments to be made on both sides but at this time I feel as though the arguments to keep the jump pack have more footing.
I'm gonna keep this short. You cannot accurately compare bhopping and exploiting the grappling hook to gain horizontal momentum. Bhopping is purely skill-based, while really anyone can exploit the grappling hook provided they know what they're doing. Bhopping is largely contained within the limits of the map's ground-space, meaning it becomes increasingly difficult the more abnormal the layout of the map. It's a reason those who like to bhop prefer larger, flatter maps. Meanwhile the grapple exploit can be done on basically any map with open space regardless of the layout and allows a version of flight to a limited extent, making it much more difficult to properly kill a player. Not to mention that the exploit also gains and keeps momentum much quicker than b-hopping. This is why it is banned and will continue to be banned.
As I mentioned in my original post this largely comes down to a balance between how much we are wanting to nerf things for a competitive sake and the overall fun environment of the server. You cannot balance this game like you would another game like CS:GO, Overwatch, or R6. This is a 16-year old game running on a 17-year old engine, on a modified gamemode with almost 50+ different addons made by different developers. What all those past and present have worked towards was making the server enjoyable for as many people as possible. I also believe the server has succeeded in that aspect, as we have a decently-sized player base who enjoy and play on the server regularly with no shortages of new players.
In terms of the jumppack add-on we use, I fully against removing it entirely and will be until a better alternative is available. For those of you who didn't see it, I suggest reading @Gabe's post he made on it by clicking here. If we're able to find a better alternative by all means suggest them however a flat removal has too many inconsistencies.
TLDR: B-hopping =/= grapple exploiting. Hard to compare them to begin with but I can see why they are. At this time, the jumppack will be staying. There are arguments to be made on both sides but at this time I feel as though the arguments to keep the jump pack have more footing.
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