02-20-2022, 07:10 PM
So first and foremost, I'm against the old system entirely. It was a lot, even with the amount of us that actively watched for abuse of reputation on forums. We need something a little simpler and/or easier. There's not many that actively participate and handle forum things. It was a huge load on those that did watch or try to handle things, and many of us have real lives outside of dinks.
I personally have been a lot less stressed seeing forums and such simmer down. People really enjoyed starting shit on forums just for their internet points and it was kinda sad. Riling things up just for points and causing mayhem has been a continuous cycle for whatever reason here at dinks, and with rep gone, things have honestly calm down SOOOO much.
On top of that now we have people openly discussing shit on forums without fear of being "downvoted to hell" on applications, and such. That's been a huge thing I saw a difference in. I don't want people to be "afraid" to give opinions. They're needed from all sides and perspectives.
However there were some suggestions I saw that I could get on board with, though some would be hard to implement.
1. +/- but before submitting it, reasoning had to be written(someone said via profile). This would take out a good chunk of the hassle we had between figuring out if someone was just stirring shit, grouping, etc. Though hard to implement. Russ's annoying lovable self gave a good example on this page. https://www.dinklebergsgmod.com/site/sho...363&page=3
2. Limit the amount of reps per day? While it could potentially be annoying, this also could cut down on some of the bs we saw happen massively. Not as well as some other ideas, but limiting could be helpful. It COULD (big maybe there bc we have dumbos here) cause people to be wiser with their choices on what they downvote, or upvote.
3. BIG NO HERE >I know a ton of people suggested the reactions, but I just see that going downhill faster than plus one minus one did. Way more there for the people to grab and abuse. If you think they won't, you have too much hope unfortunately. Going on here as many years as I have in mod + ranks, you end up seeing the cycles dinks goes through over and over. This will only speed up that drama thing we saw happen time and time again previously. Except instead of every few months, it'll end up every other. No thanks. Too much stress. It might be a fun suggestion, but it is not fun on the staff side of things, and anyone that's suggested this, hasn't had to deal with a group like dinks on the staff side.
4. Refer to Reina's big brain moment here, I fully agree with her. It is a reward/punish system. It creates more chaos than it fixes. https://www.dinklebergsgmod.com/site/sho...363&page=4 I am preferably more in favor of NO system myself, but I am aware that being a people person kind of admin(as in i prefer to speak for the people and not myself), that the majority enjoys something, so I state possibilities. But my final stance sits here with Reina.
5. Make totals private. Totals are NOT the issue, the issue is the shit heads. However this does lower the incentive to farm and cause mayhem.
6. This one I'm less in favor of, but stricter rules on rep, and what is and isnt considered manipulation, if we do implement rep back. But due to the fact that there's no actual "written rule on manipulations" people will be people. Sadly we've experienced this, and I know you're rolling your eyes at this one matt. However it's best to cover all bases, and then smack the shit out of idiots.
Full stance tl;dr form
I prefer no rep of any kind.
If we have it, use the one where you put reasons, that way it's easier for staff to go through and handle. Limit the amount per day, to aid in that, and make totals private. Rework the rules just a hair, to cover bases. Then punish the shitheads, for being shitheads.
I personally have been a lot less stressed seeing forums and such simmer down. People really enjoyed starting shit on forums just for their internet points and it was kinda sad. Riling things up just for points and causing mayhem has been a continuous cycle for whatever reason here at dinks, and with rep gone, things have honestly calm down SOOOO much.
On top of that now we have people openly discussing shit on forums without fear of being "downvoted to hell" on applications, and such. That's been a huge thing I saw a difference in. I don't want people to be "afraid" to give opinions. They're needed from all sides and perspectives.
However there were some suggestions I saw that I could get on board with, though some would be hard to implement.
1. +/- but before submitting it, reasoning had to be written(someone said via profile). This would take out a good chunk of the hassle we had between figuring out if someone was just stirring shit, grouping, etc. Though hard to implement. Russ's annoying lovable self gave a good example on this page. https://www.dinklebergsgmod.com/site/sho...363&page=3
2. Limit the amount of reps per day? While it could potentially be annoying, this also could cut down on some of the bs we saw happen massively. Not as well as some other ideas, but limiting could be helpful. It COULD (big maybe there bc we have dumbos here) cause people to be wiser with their choices on what they downvote, or upvote.
3. BIG NO HERE >I know a ton of people suggested the reactions, but I just see that going downhill faster than plus one minus one did. Way more there for the people to grab and abuse. If you think they won't, you have too much hope unfortunately. Going on here as many years as I have in mod + ranks, you end up seeing the cycles dinks goes through over and over. This will only speed up that drama thing we saw happen time and time again previously. Except instead of every few months, it'll end up every other. No thanks. Too much stress. It might be a fun suggestion, but it is not fun on the staff side of things, and anyone that's suggested this, hasn't had to deal with a group like dinks on the staff side.
4. Refer to Reina's big brain moment here, I fully agree with her. It is a reward/punish system. It creates more chaos than it fixes. https://www.dinklebergsgmod.com/site/sho...363&page=4 I am preferably more in favor of NO system myself, but I am aware that being a people person kind of admin(as in i prefer to speak for the people and not myself), that the majority enjoys something, so I state possibilities. But my final stance sits here with Reina.
5. Make totals private. Totals are NOT the issue, the issue is the shit heads. However this does lower the incentive to farm and cause mayhem.
6. This one I'm less in favor of, but stricter rules on rep, and what is and isnt considered manipulation, if we do implement rep back. But due to the fact that there's no actual "written rule on manipulations" people will be people. Sadly we've experienced this, and I know you're rolling your eyes at this one matt. However it's best to cover all bases, and then smack the shit out of idiots.
Full stance tl;dr form
I prefer no rep of any kind.
If we have it, use the one where you put reasons, that way it's easier for staff to go through and handle. Limit the amount per day, to aid in that, and make totals private. Rework the rules just a hair, to cover bases. Then punish the shitheads, for being shitheads.