06-19-2022, 07:25 PM
(This post was last modified: 06-20-2022, 12:32 PM by chelllman. Edited 2 times in total.)
With the addition of some new maps, the question of new illegal spots comes to mind.
For example, the dark lego map with the roofs that are transparent if you stand on them is one with many roofs accessible with jetpacks. This red roof is okay to be on, but many of the other roofs are illegal. The reasoning I got is because that roof is technically accessible if you don't have a jump pack because you can stack boxes. Unfortunately, the following are true:
1. You need multiple boxes to even get onto the wall adjoining this building, so that takes time to do. If you are a murderer and don't have a jump pack, you would have to waste a lot of time building something to get onto the roof.
2. The boxes on the map are super light. Throwing your popcorn at them moves them considerably. Try building something when multiple players are launching popcorn at it.
The new mall map has a high edge in the center of the map that I'm certain you can't get to without a jump pack (well, they could spend an hour taking the tables up one by one to build something I suppose...).
This brings me to my point: If the reasoning for banning spots is based on if someone has a jump pack, then we have to severely limit the vertical components of most of the maps in order to be consistent.
An example is the regular lego map (the helicopter one). You can't build a prop structure on this map, yet people can legally jump onto the trees/police station, etc. The surrounding wall is also inaccessible without a jump pack I think, but players routinely use it. Another example is the minecraft map with the red hearts on the ground and everyone spawns in the same spot (sorry, I don't know it's name). There are many roofs on this map that you need a jump pack to access. Even another example is the minecraft map with the lava in the center. How is someone without a jump pack supposed to climb the mountain? EDIT: I forgot the traitor room. Still, soon as the murderer runs for that, you just jump into the large tree in the water.
I think even the walter white house map's roof is inaccessible without a jump pack.
We can't just remove the jump pack because it has functionality related to falling that simply reducing gravity won't do. Instead, we should:
1. Make the jump pack cost 0. You join the server with enough points for one already, but just to be safe reduce the cost to 0.
2. Tell new players that they can equip the jump pack mid round and have it functional (I've tried this and yes, you can equip the jump pack mid round and it works!). This could be an automated message on the server much like "type !donate to donate!"
Then, we shouldn't have any issues with "Is this spot illegal because someone can't get up there without a jump pack?" because there simply won't be any excuse for not having one equipped.
For example, the dark lego map with the roofs that are transparent if you stand on them is one with many roofs accessible with jetpacks. This red roof is okay to be on, but many of the other roofs are illegal. The reasoning I got is because that roof is technically accessible if you don't have a jump pack because you can stack boxes. Unfortunately, the following are true:
1. You need multiple boxes to even get onto the wall adjoining this building, so that takes time to do. If you are a murderer and don't have a jump pack, you would have to waste a lot of time building something to get onto the roof.
2. The boxes on the map are super light. Throwing your popcorn at them moves them considerably. Try building something when multiple players are launching popcorn at it.
The new mall map has a high edge in the center of the map that I'm certain you can't get to without a jump pack (well, they could spend an hour taking the tables up one by one to build something I suppose...).
This brings me to my point: If the reasoning for banning spots is based on if someone has a jump pack, then we have to severely limit the vertical components of most of the maps in order to be consistent.
An example is the regular lego map (the helicopter one). You can't build a prop structure on this map, yet people can legally jump onto the trees/police station, etc. The surrounding wall is also inaccessible without a jump pack I think, but players routinely use it. Another example is the minecraft map with the red hearts on the ground and everyone spawns in the same spot (sorry, I don't know it's name). There are many roofs on this map that you need a jump pack to access. Even another example is the minecraft map with the lava in the center. How is someone without a jump pack supposed to climb the mountain? EDIT: I forgot the traitor room. Still, soon as the murderer runs for that, you just jump into the large tree in the water.
I think even the walter white house map's roof is inaccessible without a jump pack.
We can't just remove the jump pack because it has functionality related to falling that simply reducing gravity won't do. Instead, we should:
1. Make the jump pack cost 0. You join the server with enough points for one already, but just to be safe reduce the cost to 0.
2. Tell new players that they can equip the jump pack mid round and have it functional (I've tried this and yes, you can equip the jump pack mid round and it works!). This could be an automated message on the server much like "type !donate to donate!"
Then, we shouldn't have any issues with "Is this spot illegal because someone can't get up there without a jump pack?" because there simply won't be any excuse for not having one equipped.
