01-04-2023, 11:09 PM
(This post was last modified: 01-04-2023, 11:44 PM by Foxka. Edited 3 times in total.)
(01-04-2023, 10:40 PM)Gabe Wrote:It is more than something that impacts staffing it is a clear indicator of lack of good character and morals. IDC what happened a long time ago in regards to people slurring, in fact I will admit I also said slurs when i was younger here, but that was a long time ago. These issues are not in the past they are recurrent and I personally do not support any person let alone staff member that continues to say awful things and tell people to kill themselves on the regular. Outside dinks shows how people really act and behave and saying it doesn't matter is negligent and exactly what people mean when we say "swept under the rug". There is no Tyranny, this is just a fabrication and should have no consideration in regards to disallowing awful behaviors to continue. To be clear here, I am not referring just to slurring. And to say it does not extend into our community is just plain ignorant and serves no purpose other than to invalidate well-established information.(01-04-2023, 10:13 PM)tiefling lesbian Wrote:I haven't been ignoring them. I'm trying to be as transparent as I can, there are a lot of comments so I'll miss some or not reply to them fully to get to others.(01-04-2023, 09:50 PM)real (5) Wrote: I already addressed in a previous reply why the "criticism" was deleted and that he discussed it with me beforehand. See my first post. I'd appreciate it if that was read. I don't want to repeat myself for something I already said. But I am willing to elaborate if people request that. otherwise, I'm just going to refer back to my previous comments and have people read those first if it seems like they haven't (just in general, I'm not calling out anyone specifically with this).I read it, I'm not arguing whether deleting it was warranted or not. I'm saying that, regardless of if it was warranted, it was not a good way to build trust.
Sure, perhaps on the surface it could have been handled better, I could have done it if I wasn't preoccupied or said to wait until I could get to it. But, as I said before, context and intent matters. We shouldn't be getting strung up on that
(01-04-2023, 09:45 PM)tiefling lesbian Wrote: My apologies. I will say "recent" instead to make that distinction more clear.My point beyond semantics is that there are recent concerns being raised, not just ones from years ago like your previous posts have implied. Your request for trust on his behalf is predicated on him having changed since then, but there are still recent issues people have stated that have been ignored or downplayed (telling someone to kill themself in the CSGO tournament, using staff chat for drama, slurs etc in his discord). This is not just people being stuck in the past, these are active, unresolved issues that people are stating as reasons they don't trust that he has changed sufficiently, and trying to sweep them under the rug only further damages their ability to trust both him and you.
I feel like the context for most of these "recent" points matters. For the streaming drama in staff discord with a few staff friends, that one I genuinely don't see what the issue is, especially if it's just an observation rather than someone physically being present in the call to know what's happening.
Staff voice channels are the most informal part of the entire staff discord. Nothing serious happens in them for the most part. Streaming old drama is just a fun pastime for most people in the community, I'm sure many people have done that before. I don't get how that impact staffing abilities or shows any concern here. This one i truly see as a non-issue
For the CS:GO Tournament, I don't recall that off the top of my head or know the context behind it. So I haven't touched that one yet.
Using slurs in another private discord is also something I'm not sure I understand how it impacts staffing, judgment, etc. I think it's just grasping at straws. That's my honest answer. I'm sure there are other people in this community, both staff and non-staff alike, slur in areas not related to this community. You can probably search up slurs in a lot of dink's "splinter discords" and find a whole basket full of slurs from staff members and non-staff members. As long as someone knows the expectations of how to behave in OUR community, know what is allowed and what isn't, knows not to say those slurs, etc I don't think it's a huge deal. We can't control what people do outside of our community with things like that. If we police that, then that truly turns us into a tyranny. It matters how they act and present themselves in our community (i.e our discord, forums, servers). if it involves harassment of other members or something that can extend to our community, that's different. but saying slurs is something I've never really had a concern with unless it directly impacts behavior in our community.
I know the situation here and can just flat out tell you that he told another player on an opposing team to kill themselves, regardless if joking or not it is not okay and will never be ok. I'm positive it was "gamer talk" because it was in response to someone using a gun or something he didn't like. Either way this is unacceptable and I regret not acting on it out of fear of backlash.
I brought this up specifically to drive the point home that laced is not taking anything said here seriously and is *actively* making fun of valid criticisms and attempting to invalidate any negative feedback he is accruing (see previous complaint about deletion of posts)