[Gabe]

Gabe, your responses alone seem very closeminded. The community has voiced their disapproval, its not too late to do something. However, it’s hard to break the mindset of a circlejerk when they have rose to top of power in many different areas. Notice the areas of who is agreeing with who, and think about how these people relate outside the server. Avi is right, there will be no change and the server will return to its toxic ways, especially given the individuals who have now risen to power. Why do you guys think Ryan hasn’t had backlash? It’s pretty self-explanatory.

If you have *read* what I said, I have made it abundantly clear that I am trying to be as transparent, open-minded, and willing to elaborate if someone asks for elaboration. That has not happened. My responses are not closed-minded, I'm making an effort to explain the best I can while also addressing concerns brought up. I respectfully disagree and think that is misconstruing. You can't just say something is closed-minded and not elaborate, that doesn't lead to anything productive. I can say this post is closed-minded as well because it does not elaborate on your points or comes across as if you actually fully *read* my responses, especially if there's no reference to any of them. I say this all respectfully too.

"it's not too late to do something" what does that mean? We can have a meaningful *discussion* of what that means rather than making a vague point and not elaborating. Again, this goes back to having productive and meaningful *discussions*. Not finger-pointing. We need to learn how to have a *discussion* meaningful *discussions* are how you make effective change and progress, not finger-pointing or vague references without elaboration. I welcome any feedback or suggestions, as I have said in this thread and my initial forum updates thread.

This is a helpful resource on what a meaningful discussion entails. Not directed towards you specifically, just in general. Specifically: "Seek first to understand, not to be understood. Ask questions to seek clarification when you don't understand the meaning of someone's comments." You can ask to clarify any of my responses or which ones you specifically think come across as closed-minded, for example. Or I could ask you to clarify what you mean by closed-minded. Or, we could "Prevent conflict and misunderstanding" by clarifying what you mean by the server will return to its toxic ways due to these individuals. We can also have a discussion of what "individuals who have now risen to power" and "the server will return to its toxic ways" means, how this hypothetical could happen, how we can prevent it, and what we can do to make the community the most positive environment it can be. These things come through *discussions* not vague statements. This is how a meaningful *discussion* should work.


If you have *read* what I said, I have acknowledged these concerns and disapproval. The key word is reading my responses and not cherry-picking certain aspects that come across as "closed-minded." As I said, The point of a *discussion* is not to win, it's to understand other viewpoints, discuss them, and try to come to a reasonable understanding even if you disagree in the end. Saying responses "seem" closeminded without actually having a meaningful *discussion* or *reading* what I have said and point to things that come across that way, is not productive or meaningful. I'd gladly discuss why you think it comes across closed-minded. I can assure you I am always an open-minded and thoughtful person. This all comes back to what a discussion and reading responses in its entirely, again. So I encourage you to do that then we can *discuss* these points you have brought up in a productive and meaningful way that can actually accomplish something. Nothing gets done this way.  

key words: read, discussion