04-21-2023, 09:19 AM
(04-20-2023, 11:45 PM)super sucker 9 Wrote: Just an FYI, punishment guidelines are not the be all, end all on how you can be punished for breaking a rule. They exist to guide the staff on how to deal with situations, but the severity of rule breaking (e.g. telling someone to kill themselves does fall under harassment, but is punished harsher than normal harassment) also can play a factor in how punishments are given.Except for the simple fact that they never punished her for such actions and continued to ignore them. If she had been punished for such actions it would then make sense for the Perma ban. however she again only has one ban and saying they are quidelines and not be all rules is just a fancy way of saying there are rules but we make them up as we go. There was a similar situation that the exact same thing was said yet in that situation it was stated they had to follow the guidelines with Chellmen even copy pasting the punishments and quoting the way it should be handled. Again its not fair to use past things that had been known but were chosen to be ignored, As it brings up the issue of getting evidence towards someone and not caring until they do something you dont like and now want them gone, or just downright blackmailing someone. Yes i know thats a extreme case and thing to say but its vary much a possibility, even more so when we have cases of not so child friendly things that have happened in the past on this server as a whole. not saying thats the case here but its a vary easy thing to manipulate.
A regular player who is a constant problem can also have their other punishments factored in, to show that they have had numerous chances to stop their antics and haven't, which seems to be the case here.
My advice: take a break, whether this is accepted or not, and chill out a little. You gain nothing from being an ass to others over a game.
But if yall want to continue to punish how yall feel and guidelines be damned then so be it, but i still believe you should not be using things she was never punished for as any bases to make this offense worse. If you wanted to start punishing her for the rude behavior now then fine and fair. but yall again chose to ignore it just as yall chose to ignore the RDMs the staff have done even when they were unwanted. so if her unpunished rule breaks were to be counted then why is it only hers? I never wanted to bring up the fact that staff have broken the same rules they are supposed to follow, however if her past that was ignored and nows not then where is the bans for many of the staff, and many of the regulars on the server. I dont imagine they will ever come, and bringing up what was ignored just seems like a attempt to justify skipping the rules punishments for what? Ive seen many times in the past of people being unbanned from a perma ban due to "Changing" and there past offense ignored. If actual legit bans are being dismissed then why is it fair for Phantom to be punished for things shes done that yall never did anything about. How can she begin to change that behavior if yall just kept letting it slide. How can she get better are controlling her temper if yall just enabled the behavior. If she was such a issue that yall claim you should have done something then and not using it now to make this punishment worse. I agree she should be punished, she agrees as well, but not with a perma but with how the guides say its should be handled. Telling her she needs a break is no ones business but her own, only she can decide that for herself. I dont see myself getting told i need a break even tho i play just as much if not more then phantom, i dont see many PH players getting told this either. So its a vary weird thing to constantly bring up as it has no importance to the rule thats been broken.
Telling someone to kill themselves is not listed as something thats not tolerated just something thats punished. racism is the only one thats listed in red if i recall correctly. Maybe change the rules to fit how you want it punished, but as they stand this is not perma banable by any case, this was not even a severe case pretty mild. Now that brings into the question of the they are only guides and we dont have to follow them or so thats how i understand what you are saying. Then there is no bases for admin abuse when it comes to bans, they can just claim that they thought it was severe enough to them, as it would be going off the opinion of a mod to mod bases and not a set guide of rules, harassment is not pixel hunting in PH so there should be no opinion to opinion bases here, or to give a closer example RDM and how its not punished if the two people dont care and are friends, to which i think should be written down and made concrete. I mean i always read them as a set guide of rules to be followed by everyone including staff. and if the staff can just go and do as they please when it comes to punishment then that needs changed. I dont think the rules and the punishments for breaking them were ever created for the mods to just twist to their own liking. Rules are rules and punishments are punishments, and i believe they should be followed. However i do think rules can be changed and are not without fault but thats another thread itself and i wont go into detail on that here.
Im not saying phantom is innocent, what she did was wrong and she knows that and feels bad enough about it already. However i do believe this should be reduced to a week ban.