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Where are the bans, if you read my last comment you would vary much know thats mainly what i mean. So its a fact that if they were ban worthy the bans went ignored, fault of you staff alone. Being listed does not make this go to a perma ban it goes to a week ban. she was not punished for the past week ban because false and norm agreed. Its strange she would go from One ban to a week ban for ghosting that was proven false. to that being gone to now actually breaking a rule and it going straight past the week ban she should be getting. You can keep trying to justify it all you want but its it a over step.

Carson you yourself have RDMed me multiple times not just a few, and thats not counting the others to other people, but i never record so i dont have it as its not a gun rdm so fair enough. prolly only got 1 for levi, Norms RDMs towards me were at the start when i first started playing and did not know the rules. Slayed warned ect... for what exactly the RDMs that happened ages ago that have yet to happen to randoms since? Warnings mean nothing if you choose not to punish for the act. Warnings then punishment then ban is again in the rules that yall choose to follow when you feel like it. NOT GONNA BAN MYSELF WHEN I GOT PEOPLE TO DEAL WITH... then dont rdm.

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It was a Day ban and this can be looked up. Suicide yes as thats the issue at hand here. If no warnings or ban were given for the Toenail line again thats on staff for letting it slide without communicating or doing anything about it. she cant look to improve if its not brought up, this kill yourself line if the first its been brought up. But the thing is that would go to Warning 1 of which is 2 warnings before a punishment. 2 punishments before a perma ban. Hell you even once said this.
"Thanks for the report." "according to the staff guidelines, the protocol for telling someone to kill themself is: 1. Round mute/gag + warning 2. Kick 3. Permanent ban".

In neither the Murder Rules or The rules you said in another thread means this is a perma ban, even in your wrong variant of the rules you posted just 2 months ago. This month with the two rule breaks you all have managed to list so far still only leads into a week ban at most.

Using anything older then whats happened just recently would just be again unfair. If they were allowed to be let off the hook then they should stay that way for those cases.

These are the rules of the server, the rules are quite clear for the most part. Severity is again just yall using things that were already let go without issue, with yall again backtracking to make this much larger then it needs to be, because you have no bases for this other then to bring in old stuff that yall already let go and decided to do nothing about.

The rule you mentioned is for PH, not Murder.  Additionally, that rule is only used in isolation.  Let me give you an example, if someone comes on to PH, says the N word two times, then tells someone to kill themself, they will most likely receive a ban despite not reaching a ban in the racism/threats categories themselves.  Again, admins/mods can do this because players in the past like to skirt the ban thresholds for multiple offenses.

"In neither the Murder Rules or The rules you said in another thread means this is a perma ban, even in your wrong variant of the rules you posted just 2 months ago."
What?

As for the toenail comment, I literally got that from the Murder discord watchlist stating a warning was given for being overly aggressive and saying that to a player.  I'm just going off what I read.

Regarding the toenail fair enough i suppose. as for the rule, its strange PHs would be more strict then Murder, however i brought it up to make the point that even with a stricter set of rules with the admin of those rules saying thats how it should go its not at a perma ban yet. so we agree the murder rules should be taken as fact and that fact is its not quite at a perma ban, even with the first "warning".

as for the rule, Racism at least for murder is in the same category as Harassment, i know these rules fairly well as i planned to be staff at one point. so they are not separate here. And i understand what you mean by if you get 2 bans for this then a 3rd would still count even if its from another rule broken. never disagreed with this. in fact ive mentioned it several times now that phantom has one legit ban that is about RDM, if she had another is say exploiting and then got this yes it would be a perma.

however over all, this is only her second legit ban. If you mean getting a warning for RDM somehow transfers over to say mic spam and now are just left with a punishment the second they do it, then thats just down right disgusting and leaves no room correction of ones own actions. Bans moving over is something that makes sense, the punishments themselves. Now if its a obvious moving from rule to rule just to cause havoc then that would also makes sense and id suggest making that a rule of itself so its known, Here on murder its part of the trolling rule and rightfully so, if its something that simply done from time to time then thats a different thing all together.