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Communicating Better
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(04-25-2024, 02:07 AM)EpicGuy Wrote: -snip-

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The issues I would bring up were various issues, any issue under the sun, and typically harassment. I will say a lot of what I bring up happened more in the first 7 months of my staffing as we got a lot more staff in the latter half of the year and movement actually started on understanding how to staff. I would ask for help in the ttt staff chat with a wall of text about a situation and ask for help handling it because I didn't know what to do. I would typically get small responses to give verbals or a warn if the upper staff felt it was necessary, but I didn't always get a response.  It didn't help that I would look to the upper staff when they were on to find out if I should act on things, but A lot of the people I staffed with resigned shortly after I got staff or were inactive so it was mostly fresher faces from late 2022 or people from 2023. Many people I remember staffing with were ok with slur usage or staffing based on vibes alone even if rules were being broken so I wasn't very good at staffing for a long time IMO. One scenario was when I was on with Chibill there was a player raging and telling others to kill themselves, when I asked to handle it chibill did not have a good idea of what warn to give it as he said at the time he didn't think it fell under any of the guidelines. (later we did resolve the issue)It is hard to observe other staff when they are inactive, don't have enough experience to make decisions themselves, or don't feel like staffing so they don't do anything when they do get on. The part about Tief not knowing much was not saying she didn't know basic rules, but more for complex situations when they required more experience or knowledge. And for her pushing rules, there were periods where she was getting flack from the community for warning according to the guidelines and so she had a harder time knowing what to enforce due to so much backlash being thrown her way. If I ever enforced rules Tief would get flamed. I bring up staff training more because even on my last day as Mod I never had a good idea of warning on the server. A lot of things are ruled on completely differently by completely different staff members so finding out if something was bad enough to get warned for was always an issue for me. When we had a lot of staff commenting on posts a few months ago I would say how nice it is to actually discuss warning things and when to warn instead of just guessing and hoping I don't make a mess of nothing.

To bring up why people waited until they leave to bring things up, its because they tried their best to discuss it internally because we are harped on so much to never leak staff chat, never talk about anything related to staff chat, etc. I mean I have heard about a staff member who leaked a staff chat to show racism and got demoted and punished when they were talking about a serious issue within the staff team. So it really discourages anything being done when the issues stem from something internal. A lot of people just get fed up thinking about the amount of issues in an online community instead of just leaving to enjoy time with their own friends so they air their grievances on the way out to get it out in the air while they don't have to think about being punished for taking action.
(04-25-2024, 05:21 AM)chapman Wrote:
(04-24-2024, 10:54 PM)PandaInPants Wrote: -snip-

you say this but when I had appealed to be unbanned from the forums, all you did was make me out to be some sort of sexual harasser (which not only had nothing to do with my ban but also was completely already handled in the past PRIVATELY) so to be completely blunt, you’re the last person to be talking about this. I tried being civil with you in the past, but you did exactly what you’re complaining about here. You just tore what I said apart.

I didn't make you out to be a harasser, I simply commented my opinion of you based on my interactions with you from at the time months ago. "-1 most interactions ive had with you are unpleasant and you make sexist comments often, In another discord server I hung out in for a bit you would join the chat and say a lot of stuff that was specifically to make people in there uncomfortable and made lots of sexist comments claiming they were jokes or you were just drunk. These interactions made me dislike you and not want you around community members in general." Nothing I said was dishonest as you said "I do not make those kinds of comments or jokes anymore, as I realized that was something that was unacceptable behavior" and that you and the person you were upset with to start the comments had made up. As you said it had been 9 months so maybe you had changed so I did not push the issue further.  I feel that if I have witnessed actions that I heavily disagree with I can add that opinion to a thread about letting you engage with the community. The response you gave was that you only chose to be a nuisance and be offensive due to a disagreement with someone else, yet you would still say these things when that person was not around and make uncomfortable remarks. I figured that if you were to do that then I did not trust you to have calm judgment in a community with a lot more people who you would disagree with more. I never tore into you I just stated what information I had on you. I dislike you and could say many rude things to get my point across, but I am IMO quite civil and choose to instead interact very little with people I have chosen to dislike. Also to be honest the opinions of people who knew you before your ban still let me know that you had not changed much.


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Communicating Better - by chelllman - 04-24-2024, 09:35 PM
RE: Communicating Better - by bryanbrr - 04-24-2024, 09:41 PM
RE: Communicating Better - by dong - 04-24-2024, 09:45 PM
RE: Communicating Better - by slater - 04-24-2024, 10:42 PM
RE: Communicating Better - by PandaInPants - 04-24-2024, 10:54 PM
RE: Communicating Better - by HONG - 04-24-2024, 11:02 PM
RE: Communicating Better - by thaye - 04-24-2024, 11:06 PM
RE: Communicating Better - by TDawg4 - 04-24-2024, 11:54 PM
RE: Communicating Better - by chapman - 04-25-2024, 05:21 AM
RE: Communicating Better - by bryanbrr - 04-26-2024, 09:45 AM
RE: Communicating Better - by cow - 04-25-2024, 12:08 AM
RE: Communicating Better - by moocow - 04-25-2024, 12:09 AM
RE: Communicating Better - by TDawg4 - 04-25-2024, 12:29 AM
RE: Communicating Better - by EpicGuy - 04-25-2024, 02:07 AM
RE: Communicating Better - by Dinomoto - 04-25-2024, 03:36 AM
RE: Communicating Better - by Chris Farley - 04-25-2024, 07:48 AM
RE: Communicating Better - by cow - 04-25-2024, 07:44 AM
RE: Communicating Better - by chapman - 04-25-2024, 08:19 AM
RE: Communicating Better - by chelllman - 04-25-2024, 08:13 AM
RE: Communicating Better - by PandaInPants - 04-25-2024, 06:23 PM
RE: Communicating Better - by chapman - 04-26-2024, 05:25 AM
RE: Communicating Better - by RussEfarmer - 04-25-2024, 07:31 PM
RE: Communicating Better - by slater - 04-25-2024, 08:22 PM
RE: Communicating Better - by kessler. - 04-26-2024, 11:57 AM
RE: Communicating Better - by YourMateMurph - 04-26-2024, 01:16 PM

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