06-10-2024, 12:23 AM
(This post was last modified: 06-10-2024, 12:25 AM by TDawg4. Edited 1 time in total.)
Something I have run into a lot staffing on server and even in other areas is issues around certain slurs, comments, names ect ect... All under the banner of "Jokes."
New and old players both want to know why a certain joke is not allowed even if they are a part of that group or why they cant use "their slur."
I wanted to give an explanation why I feel different about people making certain jokes in private (private servers, pms, whatever) versus on our servers/community spaces.
Edgy Humor
1. The first type of humor is acceptable in private because the "funny" part is tied to shock. You are saying something that you are NOT supposed to say or something that no one should actually think. I could give 100 examples of this easily.
2. The second type is also acceptable in private. This type of humor is being the parody of a racists, homophobe, misogynist, misandrist, (whatever). In this case you are saying the things taht this person would say in a way that demonstrates their beliefs are crazy. My brother in law is from Guatemala and does a fantastic impression of a Texan/Southern Accented person assuming he is and Mexican and finding out his actual race but still being racist.
^ Neither of these are allowed (and should not be) in community spaces because of the third type.
3. This type is saying the same type of things, but the "funny" part is that you are revealing a deep truth that is not supposed to be said. This deep truth is tied to genuinely horrible beliefs. This type masquerades as the types above saying "its just a joke."
The first two types of humor are *probably* fine in private because the third type is not being covered for or bolstered.
In private, you know your friends and what they actually believe better. You know their background and how they interact with people from various backgrounds. I think there still are jokes in the first two categories that probably should not be made even in private, but if you truely are in the first two groups you aren't an evil person.
The first two types existing is why you need to be careful pulling out jokes/comments from a private server. I was actually community banned partially because I make a joke inside of type 2. I made a fake "forum post" in a discord of what the most unhinged response would be to demonstrate how ridiculous it was. This was taken as my actual belief at the time and used in the Adressing Toxicity thread all those years ago. Here is the link to the joke I made > https://imgur.com/Dc8PtMa used in the community banned announcement.
^Even with the context it still was a pretty stupid comment to make for a variety of reasons and I cringe at it today. However, its not because I had some deep hatred for women, but because if I was going to make that kind of comment it would need to be made in a much more private space than the one I was in. I am sure there were people back then who saw that and misunderstood what I said but in the other direction. They thought it was Based and Epic, that I was pointing out some secret truth about how women were getting favorable treatment or something. That is the part I regret.
So. If you use edgier humor or anything that falls into these categories you can do it and be genuinely funny. Just make sure that you are not covering for people that are laughing for a different reason than you are.
This was me just throwing out my thoughts on this issue. I keep running into it (like over and over) and wanted to get my thoughts out as well as garner some feedback.
To quote the great Steve Harvey on his show Judge Steve Harvey "That's my verdict, and that's the way I see it."
New and old players both want to know why a certain joke is not allowed even if they are a part of that group or why they cant use "their slur."
I wanted to give an explanation why I feel different about people making certain jokes in private (private servers, pms, whatever) versus on our servers/community spaces.
Edgy Humor
1. The first type of humor is acceptable in private because the "funny" part is tied to shock. You are saying something that you are NOT supposed to say or something that no one should actually think. I could give 100 examples of this easily.
2. The second type is also acceptable in private. This type of humor is being the parody of a racists, homophobe, misogynist, misandrist, (whatever). In this case you are saying the things taht this person would say in a way that demonstrates their beliefs are crazy. My brother in law is from Guatemala and does a fantastic impression of a Texan/Southern Accented person assuming he is and Mexican and finding out his actual race but still being racist.
^ Neither of these are allowed (and should not be) in community spaces because of the third type.
3. This type is saying the same type of things, but the "funny" part is that you are revealing a deep truth that is not supposed to be said. This deep truth is tied to genuinely horrible beliefs. This type masquerades as the types above saying "its just a joke."
The first two types of humor are *probably* fine in private because the third type is not being covered for or bolstered.
In private, you know your friends and what they actually believe better. You know their background and how they interact with people from various backgrounds. I think there still are jokes in the first two categories that probably should not be made even in private, but if you truely are in the first two groups you aren't an evil person.
The first two types existing is why you need to be careful pulling out jokes/comments from a private server. I was actually community banned partially because I make a joke inside of type 2. I made a fake "forum post" in a discord of what the most unhinged response would be to demonstrate how ridiculous it was. This was taken as my actual belief at the time and used in the Adressing Toxicity thread all those years ago. Here is the link to the joke I made > https://imgur.com/Dc8PtMa used in the community banned announcement.
^Even with the context it still was a pretty stupid comment to make for a variety of reasons and I cringe at it today. However, its not because I had some deep hatred for women, but because if I was going to make that kind of comment it would need to be made in a much more private space than the one I was in. I am sure there were people back then who saw that and misunderstood what I said but in the other direction. They thought it was Based and Epic, that I was pointing out some secret truth about how women were getting favorable treatment or something. That is the part I regret.
So. If you use edgier humor or anything that falls into these categories you can do it and be genuinely funny. Just make sure that you are not covering for people that are laughing for a different reason than you are.
This was me just throwing out my thoughts on this issue. I keep running into it (like over and over) and wanted to get my thoughts out as well as garner some feedback.
To quote the great Steve Harvey on his show Judge Steve Harvey "That's my verdict, and that's the way I see it."
I have no genuine regrets. You lot can go fuck yourselves, I'm done being treated like a piece of shit in your servers. Every day I'm on it's 1rdm after the other and then I'm called every slur and name in the fucking book. Tell the others to go fucking die in a fire cause I am fucking over it. And when I try to do something about it, I'm the "staff abuser". nah go fuck yourselves