[TDawg4]

i dont want to relitigate the past but since you would be deciding on these things, what is your opinion on the big drama that happened a couple months ago?

The second and much better reason was each time I read a post I had nothing constructive or beneficial to add. Pretty much every response was hinting at or referencing some behind the scenes screenshot, comment, or action. I did receive summaries of situations, but all of them were from people very deeply involved. If you gave me the set of facts being presented by one side I would agree that probably the other side was unhinged and should be excised from the community, but I never had access to those facts only bits and pieces. After the official bans released I did directly ask multiple admins both their feelings on the situation making clear that I only wanted them to tell me what they felt was  acceptable. After I asked like the announcement advised there was a statement put out pretty quickly after about mining for information and how victims were being harassed because of it. I received something hopefully similar to whoever else asked which was a repeat of publicly stated issues and that specifics could not be disclosed for the sake of privacy. With that being the message received I have stayed far away from relitigating the issue and would only take a strong stance as an admin for appeals coming up or if significant information was brought to my attention. If you know the term Stare Decisis (look it up if you dont). There is a weight to existing decisions and should not just be changed or relitigated on a personal opinion or whim. 

Not delving too much into this but reading over your response and as I was involved, you did more than ask how they felt about it.

You specifically went to at least one of the admins after the first announcement and asked about the identities of the other person involved in one of the bans, then asked if you could see or if you could ask the banned party for the full DM logs of said sensitive situation that you were not involved in as they are your friend and would've given it to you if you had asked, which I was notified of because once again, I was involved in the information you were asking for and the admin that you asked was concerned that you would've gone through with asking for the logs, which would've been a huge and unnecessary breach of privacy. 

And yes, you were aware of the reason they were banned when reaching out to the admin, which was indicated in what I was shown about you trying to get more information than you would've possibly ever needed in that situation.

I'm not active so I have no vote here, but I do hope that going forward if you are accepted, and even if you aren't, you handle those situations with more care and sensibility.

@tiefling lesbian  Once again I don't appreciate my messages to you being leaked. I messaged Tiefling after the big ban message went out; I was fully ready to cut ties with Jack and other people in that discord depending on what evidence could be presented.

I told Jack that I was very concerned and he told me he wanted to be as transparent as possible, and that he felt he had done nothing wrong. Recognizing that it was a sensitive situation I did the correct thing and asked the person I believed who had the most negative view of Jack on the admin team because they would be the most careful with the situation. I did not message any of the victims because 1 that could be harassment and 2 I didn't know for sure who they were. I could guess due to who had been talking to Jack most recently, but had no first hand knowledge.

Since my logs were apparently leaked once again I feel no reason why they should not be included here. 





My issue at the time was that Jack got a less sever ban compared to the people who called Battons a Pedophile and I had no idea how severe his behavior was. I still don't to be honest. I have pulled back from interacting with him a lot, but it feels weird completely ghosting him.

ALL HE EVER TOLD ME ABOUT THE SITUATIONS WHEN THE BANS DROPPED WAS THAT HE WOULD BE AS TRANSPARENT AS POSSIBLE. 

Whatever you want to do that its up to you, he never sent me logs and I never asked for them. I asked tiefling what she thought would be most appropriate for me to see after the bans dropped. 

My knowledge of the situation came almost exclusively from being around in calls when Bab and Jack were talking and knowing about some Florida trip way back when. I still technically don't know how involved either of them where in the ban. I also never asked for logs from anyone besides Jack? I guess now I know that would include Bab. 

Also please recognize that AT THE TIME I didn't know what Jack as I say in the messages there was a wide range of possibility. However, I did get conflicting information on the severity when I asked leaving me very much in the dark as to what I should do. 

If you want to turn my admin app into a relitigating this drama. Then by all means feel free, but there really isn't very much I can say about the situation. 

For those who want a TLDR: TLDR I asked if it was appropriate for me to see Jack's logs. I was told no and so I did not see Jacks logs. I left it there. Also this is the second time my communications about a relatively sensitive  issue have been leaked and I don't appreciate the pattern. Just send me a dm and ask or ask me to leak my own logs, I probably will just send you them if the other party is ok with it. 

I am sending this one a little hot so please if you want clarification, Just Ask.