[gods least loved angle (69°)]

ever notice how the only people railing against cliques are all friends with each other? friends who back each other up for all sorts of nasty behavior? there is only one group here that displays cliquish behavior. but even that's not really true. my guess is that before you met each other, around 2015, you all had the exact same opinions about the exact same women in gaming, opinions you never grew out of. in other words, your complaint is that people share the same opinions because they are friends with each other. my contention is that people who tend to share the same outlook on the world tend to become friends. that doesn't mean that all people in the same friend group share the exact same opinion on everything, but it does mean that if you see yourself as the perpetual victim, you naturally seek out others who see themselves the same way.

Jesus Christ this is the most braindead thing I've ever read. There was not some group meeting where a bunch of us said "hey, we all hate women, let's be friends" good god. Most of the people you're talking about keep to themselves until it feels like they're being railed on by a group of people for no reason. It was a clique thing back when dong's group and laced's group were butting heads over old friend drama, this is just people making mountains out of mole hills constantly which muddies the water when there's actual issues. A large chunk of the people who have been active for long periods of times have dealt with this, and obviously the reaction isn't going to be just ignoring it or being happy with people actively being cunty towards them. I very much disagree with certain aspects of how everyone has acted in these situations, including me, but to continuously insinuate it's some weird women hating thing or rooted in misogyny when the majority of reasons you have to think this don't exist is just...I don't have words for it. Do better. 

We have multiple large groups of people who mostly are just trying to stay out of things because everyone likes to suck themselves off over how they have the moral high ground when it's always just a surface level thing. My group (formerly laceds) doesn't fuck with any of this anymore because of that. Jack/dong's group almost entirely keeps to themselves because every time they've been branching out they're getting shit on in the same way. It makes new people less likely to want to be around because oh no, someone is going to be falsely called a pedophile and then community banned because someone decided they didn't like them and took things grossly out of context. 

So yeah. Apologies have been needed, and are still needed. I know no one will, it's always been justifying actions and not showing when you're doing something wrong with people here. But I'll at least apologize to Jack. When I heard about what had happened, along with some discomfort from some people I'm friends with, I ousted him from my group of people, as well as David, with some stupid justification. I'm sorry to both of you. We should have at least talked about it more before I just did it, and I should have tried to help mend some bridges before going that far.

Most of this is a sleep deprived, annoyed mess, but the final take away is this: For the love of god, just play your games, talk to your friends, and be cordial with each other. It's not that hard. Being a cunt because you get to be anonymous is cringe as shit.

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Oh and idk why but fuck tdawg im going back to bed