01-11-2018, 08:16 PM
I believe deductive reasoning should be grounds for a valid Kos, given enough proper evidence. Let me recall two situations in which I used what I believe to be sound reasoning to make calls that I will still defend as being in the right.
In a game on that haunted cathedral map I noticed a player crouched on top of the fountain just outside of the area with all the staircases, kind of a weird place so I put an internal suspicion on the player, nothing worth calling them out as sus just a reminder to keep my eye on them. Fast forward through the round, theres a handful of living players left, about five or so with no or at most one unconfirmed (mostly traveling in a group so I was able to see that they were alive) and the sound of c4 beeping starts to be heard. I notice that I hear it near the fountain, so I go up to the spot where the guy I saw earlier was at and find a radio. I immediately call out the radio and and place sus on the guy in voice, since I never saw him place it so i can't confirm he put it down. I leave it there, didn't see the point in destroying the radio, now that it's existence was known it was harmless, and begin walking away. Only, I didn't get far as I stopped when I heard the guy call out in voice that there wasn't a radio there. I turn around and see him up on the fountain, and lo and behold there was no radio at his feet where I had just seen it a second ago. Immediately, I shoot him in the head with my sniper and the game ends, he was indeed the last T. He reports me and I end up getting slain for it, because 'I didn't see him do anything', despite fully explaining/justifying myself as I've described here, albeit in less words. Heavily disagreed with it, but it was just a single slay so I didn't really care all that much about making a thread or anything, whatever.
Meanwhile on christmas town I'm watching from the rooftops and notice someone walking around carrying an identified T body. This immediately catches my attention and begin to watch him as he ducked into a building. Expecting an obvious defib, I waited on the rooftops watching the exits of the building to see if anyone entered or left at any time, which they did not since the one guy and the T body. After a bit of waiting, it didn't happen immediately, the T gets defibbed, again without a single person entering or leaving the building after the first guy took the T body, and I call out the guy as a T for obviously defibbing his T buddy. He quickly starts trying to deny the claim and shortly exits the building, which to me further proved he was in fact a T, and we get in a firefight. He guns me down, Ts end up winning the match, and the guy reports me for a false kos. This time though I don't get slain, with the staff member who handled the report verbally or textually (honestly don't remember) defending my call as being correct when the T I called out questions the status of my slay. However, another staff that was on stated that they disagreed and thought I should have been slain for the kos, even saying something to the effect in a PM to me.
If you've read all that, I thank you for your patience and apologize for making you read all that. What I'm trying to get at is that far too often I've seen the argument of someone not being able to physically see something as being ground for them not being able to do something which I just can not agree with. Now, I'm not saying that people should be able to kill others for any suspicious behavior that makes it seem like they might, might being the keyword here, be the traitor. I'm saying that if they have enough evidence to come to a solid conclusion a player should be able to act on that conclusion. Which means that things kinda need to stay in this weird grey area where things are ultimately left up to staff discretion.
Also for that A, B, C person scenario, if the body is ided before anyone enters the room or immediately after the firefight is over and the guy claims self defense, completely agree on it being rdm to kill him. You can distrust them sure, but that kind of distrust alone is not worth a kos.
In a game on that haunted cathedral map I noticed a player crouched on top of the fountain just outside of the area with all the staircases, kind of a weird place so I put an internal suspicion on the player, nothing worth calling them out as sus just a reminder to keep my eye on them. Fast forward through the round, theres a handful of living players left, about five or so with no or at most one unconfirmed (mostly traveling in a group so I was able to see that they were alive) and the sound of c4 beeping starts to be heard. I notice that I hear it near the fountain, so I go up to the spot where the guy I saw earlier was at and find a radio. I immediately call out the radio and and place sus on the guy in voice, since I never saw him place it so i can't confirm he put it down. I leave it there, didn't see the point in destroying the radio, now that it's existence was known it was harmless, and begin walking away. Only, I didn't get far as I stopped when I heard the guy call out in voice that there wasn't a radio there. I turn around and see him up on the fountain, and lo and behold there was no radio at his feet where I had just seen it a second ago. Immediately, I shoot him in the head with my sniper and the game ends, he was indeed the last T. He reports me and I end up getting slain for it, because 'I didn't see him do anything', despite fully explaining/justifying myself as I've described here, albeit in less words. Heavily disagreed with it, but it was just a single slay so I didn't really care all that much about making a thread or anything, whatever.
Meanwhile on christmas town I'm watching from the rooftops and notice someone walking around carrying an identified T body. This immediately catches my attention and begin to watch him as he ducked into a building. Expecting an obvious defib, I waited on the rooftops watching the exits of the building to see if anyone entered or left at any time, which they did not since the one guy and the T body. After a bit of waiting, it didn't happen immediately, the T gets defibbed, again without a single person entering or leaving the building after the first guy took the T body, and I call out the guy as a T for obviously defibbing his T buddy. He quickly starts trying to deny the claim and shortly exits the building, which to me further proved he was in fact a T, and we get in a firefight. He guns me down, Ts end up winning the match, and the guy reports me for a false kos. This time though I don't get slain, with the staff member who handled the report verbally or textually (honestly don't remember) defending my call as being correct when the T I called out questions the status of my slay. However, another staff that was on stated that they disagreed and thought I should have been slain for the kos, even saying something to the effect in a PM to me.
If you've read all that, I thank you for your patience and apologize for making you read all that. What I'm trying to get at is that far too often I've seen the argument of someone not being able to physically see something as being ground for them not being able to do something which I just can not agree with. Now, I'm not saying that people should be able to kill others for any suspicious behavior that makes it seem like they might, might being the keyword here, be the traitor. I'm saying that if they have enough evidence to come to a solid conclusion a player should be able to act on that conclusion. Which means that things kinda need to stay in this weird grey area where things are ultimately left up to staff discretion.
Also for that A, B, C person scenario, if the body is ided before anyone enters the room or immediately after the firefight is over and the guy claims self defense, completely agree on it being rdm to kill him. You can distrust them sure, but that kind of distrust alone is not worth a kos.
