[Luke Warm HotDog Water]

I'm going to address the original concern. Attempted RDM is defined as this: "...intentionally attempting to kill someone without reason. Whether something falls under this will be determined at staff discretion, typically 20+ dmg intentionally." Hey look, 20 damage. That's exactly the amount of damage that a crowbar does. The same crowbar Burrito hit Lycan with. The ninth statement under "Reasons to call a Kill-on-Sight(KOS)" says this, "ANY amount of damage with a gun is kosable. 5+ damage with a prop is kosable." Well, we're going to have to play the semantics game, because technically, a crowbar is neither a gun or a prop. But I think we can all agree that hitting someone with a crowbar is a KOSable offense. That means Lycan was well in his right to kill Burrito Bowl.

Now let's look at where Luke Warm HotDog Water comes into play. He sees Lycan kill an Innocent, and Lycan isn't the Detective. Luke Warm HotDog Water also has every right to kill Lycan. Why? Well, Lycan could be lying, and we all know that you can't spell "lying" without "Lycan". But wait, rule 9 under "Reasons to call a Kill-on-Sight(KOS)" says that damaging a player for a reason not stated above is KOSable. But wait again. If we look above we see that ANY amount of damage [with a gun] is KOSable. Lycan killed Burrito Bowl. Valid kill. You killing Lycan isn't a valid kill. You were slain because of it.

All you saw was Lycan kill someone. If Lycan had a mic, he could have told you that Burrito Bowl hit him with a crowbar. Then what? You don't have any hard proof that Lycan was hit with a crowbar. Wait a minute, you did! When your crosshair is on Lycan, it'll say that he's injured or whatever. I don't understand. You didn't have all the pieces to the puzzle, you killed someone because you thought you knew what happened, you screwed up, and got slain. You have the right to kill Lycan in this situation. You didn't trust him. As Nopleez said, this is a game of lies and deception. But when you very clearly screw up, take the slay. I think the round was over in like 3 minutes. You've spent more time arguing than you did serving your slay.

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As to the point of claiming Innocence, I have yet to believe a claim of innocence that I myself have not witnissed or was confirmed by a Detective. So, you do not HAVE to believe a claim of innocence, but if you kill him later and he WAS actually proven, you'll be slain for killing a proven man. Epic made a nice version of this I havent used, what if you got tested on the map tester, were proven Innocent, later in Overtime, I shoot you out of suspicion. I then have RDM'd you as I have killed a proven man. And before the self-defense thing is brought up. If Innocent A gets attacked by Proven A and Innocent A wins, Innocent A has not RDM'd due to the self-defense rule overruling that.

I heavily disagree with this paragraph. 

• Player A tests himself and is proven inno (by a map tester), Player B does not witness this.
  
• Player A performs a kosable act.
  
• Player B kills player A for performing said act.
  
• Player B is slain for killing Player A because he was proven but Player B had absolutely no way of knowing he was proven.
  

How is this a fair situation?

I think this is very fair. If Player A tests and is proven, usually Player A and whoever else watches them tests says that they're proven. Even if that doesn't happen, there's a witness and a third party that can justify the fact that Player A is proven. If Player B doesn't believe or think that Player A is proven, that's their problem. You don't have to believe anything in this game. You do have to face the consequences of not believing though. I don't understand. This is the way things have been done for years. Not just on this server, but I would take a guess on just about every TTT server out there. The lack of empathy is also a little startling. If we put ourselves in the shoes of player A, and Player B kills us after being tested, I cannot see any person who wouldn't report Player B. Whether or not they're slain is up to Player A, not Player B.

youre right because the ONLY way someone can appeared injured is by being hit wit ha crowbar, not being in a gunfight, not falling, not transfering health wtih a detective tranfusion kit (which by the way deos 20 hp) not being hit by a manhack, 

youre implying the ONLY way is by being hit with a crowbar. there are so many other reasons he could be injured as stated above-- mnay of which are T related.