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Rule Clarification/Logistics Question
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(05-18-2018, 08:01 AM)matt_st3 (Strongrule) Wrote: The "called a kos" is an addition to the story that wasn't there last night for one
For another, you killed him across the map for "passing an unid body" without any way of placing him near the body because of a large time difference. If a kos had been called, we cannot very accurately time it, so I would have to side with you that it was at that time and administer no slay. I did not hear or find a kos.
Passing an unid body is a difficult thing to prove if outside of the camera time. To do so I go through other death scenes of other kills and spectate the said area. I could tell from logs that you id the body what 30 seconds before the kill. It also happens the body was mine, and combined with Boat being nowhere in the logs there and not being there to my knowledge of time of death, @Boat was innocent until proven guilty of passing an unid. I let you discuss it with me until you left in case you could convince me I was wrong.
If a Kos was called I would have enough info on your side to side with you, as it would suggest said event happened. Without it, all I have to see is you kill boat without any body being close.
Edit: I may have pics to help after work

I mean, it’s in text chat so it’ll be in past logs, right? I said something to the effect of “uh.. KOS boat”.
If chat is saved in the archives everyone can acces then I can find it later today. 

I do apologize for being rude, that was unnecessary. It was just incredibly frustrating that I had to prove something that I shouldn’t have to overtop the screeching of 32 people in voice chat, so the bit I could type couldn’t respond fast enough to both of you talking at once.

(05-18-2018, 07:43 AM)Traitor Wrote:
(05-18-2018, 07:20 AM)King Tiger Ace Fasda22 Wrote: The simple thing is, we should be enforcing the innocent till proven guilty rule. As such with no proof of you doing so you shouldn't have been slain. Because without proof of the thing that may or may not have happened, you cannot slay people for lack of proof... No proof, no slay.

I agree 100%. 
On another note "I was understandably ornery towards the staff member, @matt_st3 (Strongrule) because this is the sort of bullshit that is incredibly frustrating; to be slain when following the rules to the letter." Its never ok to flame or attack another player/staff at any point. If you thought it was wrong you should have came straight here or to another mod/admin.

You’re totally right. I was frustrated that I wasn’t given enough time to explain myself and gather proof; the map was ending and the slay was already applied before I could show anything that proved my case.

(05-18-2018, 07:20 AM)King Tiger Ace Fasda22 Wrote: The simple thing is, we should be enforcing the innocent till proven guilty rule. As such with no proof of you doing so you shouldn't have been slain. Because without proof of the thing that may or may not have happened, you cannot slay people for lack of proof... No proof, no slay.

That is almost verbatim what I said at the time. I was told “the proof is that you killed him, but no evidence of him walking by the body”. Which of course there wouldn’t be if the mod recording tool doesn’t go back far enough in time. I basically was fighting to prove I followed the rules, which was very frustrating.
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