11-03-2020, 11:50 PM
The first thing I want to say, is thank you for posting this. You do not know how people are going to respond to something like this. I am going to respond to everything that I can and provide context towards some things while also not personally revealing anyone just like you had done in your post. I am also sorry that you felt like you may have needed to resign from the community and that it has altered your health.
Applications
Your first topic, I want to start off by saying this will always happen and always had happened throughout my time in Dinks. I try to be very picky, sometimes probably too picky to some and myself, on who becomes staff and who gets what rank. Why? Because there is only one admin running around for PH. So when I see something pop up on a staff application, discussion, etc. I take note depending on what is being said. I do this because I have been around plenty of bad staff and that one instance could be as it is, that one instance but what if it is more than that? What if they are just playing nice around staff, which is common, to just try and get a rank? These are questions and concerns I have going into every application because I am not around or on all the time obviously and I want to make a good choice.
1. Yes, that is how applications work. It is the job of the upper staff to find out if these said things have anything to said claims. However, I think you and your fellow writers are only assuming the bad things and not the good things that people say unless they are completely biased.
2. Yes this happens, most of these comments have little to any weight on them, same with blatant favoritism.
3. For this to be legitimate good or bad, it all depends on that interaction with them along with discord and forums. Many people get an idea of someone over multiple forms not just server.
4. This too can be legitimate or not, it all depends on what is going on.
5. Yes, that is how applications work. Now if they are just holding to or against them for things completely separate from Dinks, then we have an issue that has been and always will be there.
Opinion Section
This how things sadly always will be. That is just how it is. I am guilty of some of this depending on the subject being discussed. People do not always know the context of things but that is when perspectives should be discussed, not hostility. I do not think there is any person here who is innocent of this either and that only expands with dealing with an online community. No one should be shut down for their opinion but I cannot force people to react a certain way either only said individual can choose how they respond. That goes to both sides.
Reputations
Once again, this will always be a thing. However, you should all be able to communicate and work with one another on the server DESPITE not liking each other. I know you all do not like each, I do not expect you all to like each other. Would I like if all you were all friends and singing kumbaya everywhere? Yeah, I probably would but I hope you all can decide to set apart your differences for the betterment of the community and the players that are in it. This is once again not something I can force you all to do. You all have to CHOOSE to do this.
When people form opinions or assumptions of you I can guarantee they are not just from the server but also other games, Discord and forums. Yes people should not twist something like that, but thinking people base all of their assumptions over you from a couple things from just the server, is wrong as well.
The Incident
I know of the incident you are speaking of all to well sadly. The biggest reason why I did not get super involved in this as an admin is because, it wasn't part of the Dinkleberg's community. From stories and instances that I got from you and the other staff member, this had been going on before you even joined this community. This is something that seemed like it overall started small and was allowed to grow and fester between you two for a VERY long time. It then got brought into the community later in such a form that STILL had little to do with the community as it was about a personal subject. It is not my job, nor any other staff member's job, to be involved in people's personal affairs as staff members. Which is why I did not ultimately act on it because, in my opinion, it was not my place. You say you did not kick the person out of your private discord over things of disliking to even hating them but some of the things you said to me makes me think otherwise. You called this person a liar despite them sharing their own opinion on what happened in a staff application and neither one of you showing evidence of the event that took place publicly. People picked sides that favored or disfavored the both of you and since neither of you publicly revealed evidence, such things are going to happen and are going to remain that way surrounding that particular subject of the incident that truly brought into Dinks community finally.
Then it just became a back and forth between you two through my DMs and I would relay certain information to the other where I just finally decided to stop because it was something bigger than that and the community then got dragged in. Also both sides were sharing their opinion with questionable supporters and evidence. After this explosion (which somewhat took place on Kiwi's app), then the PH staff meeting happened and everything that concerned the community was discussed. If you did not say something that you wanted to say or what you thought you needed to say that is on you because that meeting lasted for over 3 hours. If we need to have another one to sort this shit out on what you believe is between you and several other staff members lets fucking do it then instead of behind the scenes crap with random explosions every few months.
With stopping rumors, there is not much I can do about that either. Talkers are going to talk, and BOTH sides are guilty of this. Yes, I said BOTH, because I have seen the rumors, once again mainly outside of Dink's stuff, happening and talking from both sides and I can ask people to stop all day but I was already a small aspect of Toxicity Part 1 and I want to overall avoid being part of a second one especially one focused on PH. I found in the end both parties guilty in their own way with the majority of stuff, private items, that was not my business addressing as a PH admin. I probably should have said that immediately when it went away from the staff application to private stuff but at the time I do not know what is going on and I want the context to go along with it and did not know how much it was community based or not.
I hope I covered everything while giving my own take of events while providing context. 2020 has sucked and holy crap this is longer than what I meant it to be. Also, I hope you do not receive a bunch of backlash but I hope you receive discussion instead between staff members and trying to figure this out.
Applications
Your first topic, I want to start off by saying this will always happen and always had happened throughout my time in Dinks. I try to be very picky, sometimes probably too picky to some and myself, on who becomes staff and who gets what rank. Why? Because there is only one admin running around for PH. So when I see something pop up on a staff application, discussion, etc. I take note depending on what is being said. I do this because I have been around plenty of bad staff and that one instance could be as it is, that one instance but what if it is more than that? What if they are just playing nice around staff, which is common, to just try and get a rank? These are questions and concerns I have going into every application because I am not around or on all the time obviously and I want to make a good choice.
1. Yes, that is how applications work. It is the job of the upper staff to find out if these said things have anything to said claims. However, I think you and your fellow writers are only assuming the bad things and not the good things that people say unless they are completely biased.
2. Yes this happens, most of these comments have little to any weight on them, same with blatant favoritism.
3. For this to be legitimate good or bad, it all depends on that interaction with them along with discord and forums. Many people get an idea of someone over multiple forms not just server.
4. This too can be legitimate or not, it all depends on what is going on.
5. Yes, that is how applications work. Now if they are just holding to or against them for things completely separate from Dinks, then we have an issue that has been and always will be there.
Opinion Section
This how things sadly always will be. That is just how it is. I am guilty of some of this depending on the subject being discussed. People do not always know the context of things but that is when perspectives should be discussed, not hostility. I do not think there is any person here who is innocent of this either and that only expands with dealing with an online community. No one should be shut down for their opinion but I cannot force people to react a certain way either only said individual can choose how they respond. That goes to both sides.
Reputations
Once again, this will always be a thing. However, you should all be able to communicate and work with one another on the server DESPITE not liking each other. I know you all do not like each, I do not expect you all to like each other. Would I like if all you were all friends and singing kumbaya everywhere? Yeah, I probably would but I hope you all can decide to set apart your differences for the betterment of the community and the players that are in it. This is once again not something I can force you all to do. You all have to CHOOSE to do this.
When people form opinions or assumptions of you I can guarantee they are not just from the server but also other games, Discord and forums. Yes people should not twist something like that, but thinking people base all of their assumptions over you from a couple things from just the server, is wrong as well.
The Incident
I know of the incident you are speaking of all to well sadly. The biggest reason why I did not get super involved in this as an admin is because, it wasn't part of the Dinkleberg's community. From stories and instances that I got from you and the other staff member, this had been going on before you even joined this community. This is something that seemed like it overall started small and was allowed to grow and fester between you two for a VERY long time. It then got brought into the community later in such a form that STILL had little to do with the community as it was about a personal subject. It is not my job, nor any other staff member's job, to be involved in people's personal affairs as staff members. Which is why I did not ultimately act on it because, in my opinion, it was not my place. You say you did not kick the person out of your private discord over things of disliking to even hating them but some of the things you said to me makes me think otherwise. You called this person a liar despite them sharing their own opinion on what happened in a staff application and neither one of you showing evidence of the event that took place publicly. People picked sides that favored or disfavored the both of you and since neither of you publicly revealed evidence, such things are going to happen and are going to remain that way surrounding that particular subject of the incident that truly brought into Dinks community finally.
Then it just became a back and forth between you two through my DMs and I would relay certain information to the other where I just finally decided to stop because it was something bigger than that and the community then got dragged in. Also both sides were sharing their opinion with questionable supporters and evidence. After this explosion (which somewhat took place on Kiwi's app), then the PH staff meeting happened and everything that concerned the community was discussed. If you did not say something that you wanted to say or what you thought you needed to say that is on you because that meeting lasted for over 3 hours. If we need to have another one to sort this shit out on what you believe is between you and several other staff members lets fucking do it then instead of behind the scenes crap with random explosions every few months.
With stopping rumors, there is not much I can do about that either. Talkers are going to talk, and BOTH sides are guilty of this. Yes, I said BOTH, because I have seen the rumors, once again mainly outside of Dink's stuff, happening and talking from both sides and I can ask people to stop all day but I was already a small aspect of Toxicity Part 1 and I want to overall avoid being part of a second one especially one focused on PH. I found in the end both parties guilty in their own way with the majority of stuff, private items, that was not my business addressing as a PH admin. I probably should have said that immediately when it went away from the staff application to private stuff but at the time I do not know what is going on and I want the context to go along with it and did not know how much it was community based or not.
I hope I covered everything while giving my own take of events while providing context. 2020 has sucked and holy crap this is longer than what I meant it to be. Also, I hope you do not receive a bunch of backlash but I hope you receive discussion instead between staff members and trying to figure this out.
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