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Silencing Marginalized Voices
#61
(10-27-2022, 09:44 PM)Norm Minder Wrote: It's not really hard to use -snip.
Please use it.
It hurts my eyes.
No one is reading that long shit.
I personally disagree. I love reading!
(10-27-2022, 09:45 PM)Gabe Wrote: I would like to apologize to you for not being able to attend the zoom session today because of my daughter having her second vaccine and I am not going to be able to make it. I deeply regret that I am unable to participate in this event because of my daughter’s teddy bear situation. I would appreciate it if you could please snip your threads and post them to the subreddit.
Thoughts and prayers, I hope it gets better. But I don't think this is very relevant to the topic at hand! Thanks for coming!
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#62
(10-27-2022, 09:45 PM)poop MANIAC(fecal frenzy!!!!!!!! Wrote: Well tiefling, unfortunately you're changing your mind on what exactly you want to address. Post deletion is not what we were talking about earlier. On that point, I think it's something we will just have to agree to disagree on: I think that people should have a reference not only for what sort of opinions and behaviors are not allowed but for perpetrators to have a chance to take in the true gravity of their statements later on the line. From what I understand, you believe some people shouldn't be afforded the chance to learn from their mistakes. Not how I view it but your opinion is valid, and it matters!
i believe that bigots shouldn't be platformed yeah, and it's weird that you think they should be
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#63
(10-27-2022, 09:48 PM)tiefling lesbian Wrote:
(10-27-2022, 09:45 PM)poop MANIAC(fecal frenzy!!!!!!!! Wrote:
(10-27-2022, 09:40 PM)drain gang Wrote: is there a tldr
Not yet, but you can make it if you want!
(10-27-2022, 09:40 PM)caribou Wrote: [Image: unknown.png]
Thank you caribou, very cool!
(10-27-2022, 09:41 PM)tiefling lesbian Wrote:
(10-27-2022, 09:37 PM)poop MANIAC(fecal frenzy!!!!!!!! Wrote:
(10-27-2022, 09:34 PM)tiefling lesbian Wrote: "While on issues such as this we can all agree that there is a wrong side to take, I think it's important not to silence that wrong side with institutional marginalization, regardless of how inflammatory, indelicate or mean-spirited that voice may be."
literally your words
the situation has been grasped just fine, you're simply incorrect
Marginalization happens to all sorts of people. You seem to be under the impression that I believe the only people being marginalized are the people with incorrect opinions! That is simply not true! Why, in your behavior you are marginalizing these people right now. That's not to say it's a universal wrong. Like I have said a few times now, un-persons should be marginalized. You seem to be hanged on something that was simply never said. I hope that clarified! Stay safe!

(10-27-2022, 09:37 PM)Reina Wrote: You’re right. 

My apologies for not taking you seriously, Tiefling. I just wanted to let you know that i am not going to be able to make it to the meeting today because i have a meeting at one and i am not going to be able to attend it because of the pandemic and i am unable to attend it due to the pandemic and the fact that i am unable to work from home due to the coronavirus pandemic and the pandemic and my family and friends are not going to be able to work from home so i am going to be in the office tomorrow and i am going to be in the hospital for a week and i am not going to be able to attend the meeting with my family and my family so please feel free to contact me if you have any questions or any other questions.
That's very big of you, Reina. Thank you for apologizing to them.
the """""marginalization""""" of bigots' harassing posts being deleted is not a real issue, let alone one that needs essays written about it
and again, you literally did say it in the text that i quoted from your original post lol
Well tiefling, unfortunately you're changing your mind on what exactly you want to address. Post deletion is not what we were talking about earlier. On that point, I think it's something we will just have to agree to disagree on: I think that people should have a reference not only for what sort of opinions and behaviors are not allowed but for perpetrators to have a chance to take in the true gravity of their statements later on the line. From what I understand, you believe some people shouldn't be afforded the chance to learn from their mistakes. Not how I view it but your opinion is valid, and it matters!
i believe that bigots shouldn't be platformed yeah, and it's weird that you think they should be
Well, you see, there's an issue with that, and now we're going back in circles again: I agree that hate has no place on our web zone. I think punishing antisocial thoughts and low behaviors is very important. I hope you can understand!
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#64
(10-27-2022, 11:39 AM)Toaduh Wrote: Got no fuckin' clue what this is referencing, but it was a pretty good read. 
I might start using the centered format for some of my posts.
Oh, I think you know.




I believe I've gathered the gist of it from the replies. While I recognize the value behind your ideas and opinions, most people don't possess the time, mental fortitude, or emotional stability required to perpetually balance the truly progressive platform that you envision. This community is in that sweet spot between obscure and prominent (not small enough to easily enforce but also not large enough to allocate proper moderation for your ideas). 

I don't agree with the archaic mentalities of having "no-no words" or specific "protected groups" (aside from the youngins) as those ideals have only bred subcultures rife with superiority complexes, corruption, and mental dormancy. At the same time, people who go out of their way to legitimately harass other people for seemingly no reason are either immature or just plain shitty. It could be a toss-up to decide which category they belong to, and this indecision in moderation could potentially embolden the trolls or other genuinely toxic people to add fuel to the fire. I would agree with the idea, though, that others need to start handling "dissenting opinions" with less emotion and more class as they are only needlessly adding more immaturity and toxicity into the equation; i.e. less gas, more sand.

You're probably not gonna be able to get through to anyone with walls of text as people are unfortunately more closed-minded than they'd freely admit to when it comes to their personal convictions. You also have to take into consideration the fact that a hefty chunk of the new generation has been trained by social media to fanatically follow a set of Sinai tablets different from the previous generation of religious loonies, but they have just as much mouth froth and can be even more ridiculous to engage with than the ole thumpers.

Godspeed, poopy fellow.
#65
(10-27-2022, 09:50 PM)poop MANIAC(fecal frenzy!!!!!!!! Wrote:
(10-27-2022, 09:48 PM)tiefling lesbian Wrote:
(10-27-2022, 09:45 PM)poop MANIAC(fecal frenzy!!!!!!!! Wrote:
(10-27-2022, 09:40 PM)drain gang Wrote: is there a tldr
Not yet, but you can make it if you want!
(10-27-2022, 09:40 PM)caribou Wrote: [Image: unknown.png]
Thank you caribou, very cool!
(10-27-2022, 09:41 PM)tiefling lesbian Wrote:
(10-27-2022, 09:37 PM)poop MANIAC(fecal frenzy!!!!!!!! Wrote: Marginalization happens to all sorts of people. You seem to be under the impression that I believe the only people being marginalized are the people with incorrect opinions! That is simply not true! Why, in your behavior you are marginalizing these people right now. That's not to say it's a universal wrong. Like I have said a few times now, un-persons should be marginalized. You seem to be hanged on something that was simply never said. I hope that clarified! Stay safe!

That's very big of you, Reina. Thank you for apologizing to them.
the """""marginalization""""" of bigots' harassing posts being deleted is not a real issue, let alone one that needs essays written about it
and again, you literally did say it in the text that i quoted from your original post lol
Well tiefling, unfortunately you're changing your mind on what exactly you want to address. Post deletion is not what we were talking about earlier. On that point, I think it's something we will just have to agree to disagree on: I think that people should have a reference not only for what sort of opinions and behaviors are not allowed but for perpetrators to have a chance to take in the true gravity of their statements later on the line. From what I understand, you believe some people shouldn't be afforded the chance to learn from their mistakes. Not how I view it but your opinion is valid, and it matters!
i believe that bigots shouldn't be platformed yeah, and it's weird that you think they should be
Well, you see, there's an issue with that, and now we're going back in circles again: I agree that hate has no place on our web zone. I think punishing antisocial thoughts and low behaviors is very important. I hope you can understand!
"While on issues such as this we can all agree that there is a wrong side to take, I think it's important not to silence that wrong side with institutional marginalization, regardless of how inflammatory, indelicate or mean-spirited that voice may be."
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#66
(10-27-2022, 09:51 PM)Toaduh Wrote:
(10-27-2022, 11:39 AM)Toaduh Wrote: Got no fuckin' clue what this is referencing, but it was a pretty good read. 
I might start using the centered format for some of my posts.
Oh, I think you know.




I believe I've gathered the gist of it from the replies. While I recognize the value behind your ideas and opinions, most people don't possess the time, mental fortitude, or emotional stability required to perpetually balance the truly progressive platform that you envision. This community is in that sweet spot between obscure and prominent (not small enough to easily enforce but also not large enough to allocate proper moderation for your ideas). 

I don't agree with the archaic mentalities of having "no-no words" or specific "protected groups" (aside from the youngins) as those ideals have only bred subcultures rife with superiority complexes, corruption, and mental dormancy. At the same time, people who go out of their way to legitimately harass other people for seemingly no reason are either immature or just plain shitty. It could be a toss-up to decide which category they belong to, and this indecision in moderation could potentially embolden the trolls or other genuinely toxic people to add fuel to the fire. I would agree with the idea, though, that others need to start handling "dissenting opinions" with less emotion and more class as they are only needlessly adding more immaturity and toxicity into the equation; i.e. less gas, more sand.

You're probably not gonna be able to get through to anyone with walls of text as people are unfortunately more closed-minded than they'd freely admit to when it comes to their personal convictions. You also have to take into consideration the fact that a hefty chunk of the new generation has been trained by social media to fanatically follow a set of Sinai tablets different from the previous generation of religious loonies, but they have just as much mouth froth and can be even more ridiculous to engage with than the ole thumpers.

Godspeed, poopy fellow.
Thanks, toaduh, good to sea you again! I'm glad we're on the same page, but I think that with a little bit of good old fashioned human kindness and a LOT of elbow grease, what I'm talking about isn't so tough after all.

(10-27-2022, 09:53 PM)tiefling lesbian Wrote:
(10-27-2022, 09:50 PM)poop MANIAC(fecal frenzy!!!!!!!! Wrote:
(10-27-2022, 09:48 PM)tiefling lesbian Wrote:
(10-27-2022, 09:45 PM)poop MANIAC(fecal frenzy!!!!!!!! Wrote:
(10-27-2022, 09:40 PM)drain gang Wrote: is there a tldr
Not yet, but you can make it if you want!
(10-27-2022, 09:40 PM)caribou Wrote: [Image: unknown.png]
Thank you caribou, very cool!
(10-27-2022, 09:41 PM)tiefling lesbian Wrote: the """""marginalization""""" of bigots' harassing posts being deleted is not a real issue, let alone one that needs essays written about it
and again, you literally did say it in the text that i quoted from your original post lol
Well tiefling, unfortunately you're changing your mind on what exactly you want to address. Post deletion is not what we were talking about earlier. On that point, I think it's something we will just have to agree to disagree on: I think that people should have a reference not only for what sort of opinions and behaviors are not allowed but for perpetrators to have a chance to take in the true gravity of their statements later on the line. From what I understand, you believe some people shouldn't be afforded the chance to learn from their mistakes. Not how I view it but your opinion is valid, and it matters!
i believe that bigots shouldn't be platformed yeah, and it's weird that you think they should be
Well, you see, there's an issue with that, and now we're going back in circles again: I agree that hate has no place on our web zone. I think punishing antisocial thoughts and low behaviors is very important. I hope you can understand!
"While on issues such as this we can all agree that there is a wrong side to take, I think it's important not to silence that wrong side with institutional marginalization, regardless of how inflammatory, indelicate or mean-spirited that voice may be."
Sorry tiefling, but there's another issue here. When you try to deconstruct an entire point of view based on one individual clause, you end up ignoring vital points of context and, in this case, the entire meat of the discussion! I hope you understand.
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#67
(10-27-2022, 09:56 PM)poop MANIAC(fecal frenzy!!!!!!!! Wrote:
(10-27-2022, 09:51 PM)Toaduh Wrote:
(10-27-2022, 11:39 AM)Toaduh Wrote: Got no fuckin' clue what this is referencing, but it was a pretty good read. 
I might start using the centered format for some of my posts.
Oh, I think you know.




I believe I've gathered the gist of it from the replies. While I recognize the value behind your ideas and opinions, most people don't possess the time, mental fortitude, or emotional stability required to perpetually balance the truly progressive platform that you envision. This community is in that sweet spot between obscure and prominent (not small enough to easily enforce but also not large enough to allocate proper moderation for your ideas). 

I don't agree with the archaic mentalities of having "no-no words" or specific "protected groups" (aside from the youngins) as those ideals have only bred subcultures rife with superiority complexes, corruption, and mental dormancy. At the same time, people who go out of their way to legitimately harass other people for seemingly no reason are either immature or just plain shitty. It could be a toss-up to decide which category they belong to, and this indecision in moderation could potentially embolden the trolls or other genuinely toxic people to add fuel to the fire. I would agree with the idea, though, that others need to start handling "dissenting opinions" with less emotion and more class as they are only needlessly adding more immaturity and toxicity into the equation; i.e. less gas, more sand.

You're probably not gonna be able to get through to anyone with walls of text as people are unfortunately more closed-minded than they'd freely admit to when it comes to their personal convictions. You also have to take into consideration the fact that a hefty chunk of the new generation has been trained by social media to fanatically follow a set of Sinai tablets different from the previous generation of religious loonies, but they have just as much mouth froth and can be even more ridiculous to engage with than the ole thumpers.

Godspeed, poopy fellow.
Thanks, toaduh, good to sea you again! I'm glad we're on the same page, but I think that with a little bit of good old fashioned human kindness and a LOT of elbow grease, what I'm talking about isn't so tough after all.

(10-27-2022, 09:53 PM)tiefling lesbian Wrote:
(10-27-2022, 09:50 PM)poop MANIAC(fecal frenzy!!!!!!!! Wrote:
(10-27-2022, 09:48 PM)tiefling lesbian Wrote:
(10-27-2022, 09:45 PM)poop MANIAC(fecal frenzy!!!!!!!! Wrote: Not yet, but you can make it if you want!
Thank you caribou, very cool!
Well tiefling, unfortunately you're changing your mind on what exactly you want to address. Post deletion is not what we were talking about earlier. On that point, I think it's something we will just have to agree to disagree on: I think that people should have a reference not only for what sort of opinions and behaviors are not allowed but for perpetrators to have a chance to take in the true gravity of their statements later on the line. From what I understand, you believe some people shouldn't be afforded the chance to learn from their mistakes. Not how I view it but your opinion is valid, and it matters!
i believe that bigots shouldn't be platformed yeah, and it's weird that you think they should be
Well, you see, there's an issue with that, and now we're going back in circles again: I agree that hate has no place on our web zone. I think punishing antisocial thoughts and low behaviors is very important. I hope you can understand!
"While on issues such as this we can all agree that there is a wrong side to take, I think it's important not to silence that wrong side with institutional marginalization, regardless of how inflammatory, indelicate or mean-spirited that voice may be."
Sorry tiefling, but there's another issue here. When you try to deconstruct an entire point of view based on one individual clause, you end up ignoring vital points of context and, in this case, the entire meat of the discussion! I hope you understand.
if your opening statement is incoherent to your actual point then you should spend less time checking your thesaurus for big words and more time studying essay structure
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#68
[*]Awesome corn muffin recipe:

[*]2 cups all-purpose flour
[*]▢ 2 cups fine cornmeal
[*]▢ 6 tablespoons granulated sugar more or less depending on how sweet you like your muffins
[*]▢ 2 tablespoons baking powder
[*]▢ 1 teaspoon salt

[*]▢ 1 jar mayonaise
[*]▢ 4 eggs beaten
[*]▢ 16 cups milk
[*]▢ 1 stick (plus 1 teaspoon) salted butter melted and cooled
[*]▢ 4 tablespoons vegetable oil

  • Pre-heat oven to 400°f/ 200°c 

    Prepare a muffin pan by brushing a thin coating of melted butter over the sections in the pan. Place the buttered pan in the preheated oven while you mix the batter.

    Note: this step is optional and the recipe can be made using a greased, nonheated pan instead.
  • Mix dry ingredients in a large bowl and form a well into the middle of the mixture.
  • Mix egg, milk, melted butter, and oil in a large mixing bowl. Pour into the well of dry ingredients; mix well.
  • If using a preheated pan, carefully remove the heated pan from the oven. Divide batter into the sections of the pan, filling them ¾ of the way. This makes a large muffin (20 to 24 muffins).
  • Bake for 12-15 minutes, or until light golden brown.
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#69
(10-27-2022, 09:58 PM)tiefling lesbian Wrote:
(10-27-2022, 09:56 PM)poop MANIAC(fecal frenzy!!!!!!!! Wrote:
(10-27-2022, 09:51 PM)Toaduh Wrote:
(10-27-2022, 11:39 AM)Toaduh Wrote: Got no fuckin' clue what this is referencing, but it was a pretty good read. 
I might start using the centered format for some of my posts.
Oh, I think you know.




I believe I've gathered the gist of it from the replies. While I recognize the value behind your ideas and opinions, most people don't possess the time, mental fortitude, or emotional stability required to perpetually balance the truly progressive platform that you envision. This community is in that sweet spot between obscure and prominent (not small enough to easily enforce but also not large enough to allocate proper moderation for your ideas). 

I don't agree with the archaic mentalities of having "no-no words" or specific "protected groups" (aside from the youngins) as those ideals have only bred subcultures rife with superiority complexes, corruption, and mental dormancy. At the same time, people who go out of their way to legitimately harass other people for seemingly no reason are either immature or just plain shitty. It could be a toss-up to decide which category they belong to, and this indecision in moderation could potentially embolden the trolls or other genuinely toxic people to add fuel to the fire. I would agree with the idea, though, that others need to start handling "dissenting opinions" with less emotion and more class as they are only needlessly adding more immaturity and toxicity into the equation; i.e. less gas, more sand.

You're probably not gonna be able to get through to anyone with walls of text as people are unfortunately more closed-minded than they'd freely admit to when it comes to their personal convictions. You also have to take into consideration the fact that a hefty chunk of the new generation has been trained by social media to fanatically follow a set of Sinai tablets different from the previous generation of religious loonies, but they have just as much mouth froth and can be even more ridiculous to engage with than the ole thumpers.

Godspeed, poopy fellow.
Thanks, toaduh, good to sea you again! I'm glad we're on the same page, but I think that with a little bit of good old fashioned human kindness and a LOT of elbow grease, what I'm talking about isn't so tough after all.

(10-27-2022, 09:53 PM)tiefling lesbian Wrote:
(10-27-2022, 09:50 PM)poop MANIAC(fecal frenzy!!!!!!!! Wrote:
(10-27-2022, 09:48 PM)tiefling lesbian Wrote: i believe that bigots shouldn't be platformed yeah, and it's weird that you think they should be
Well, you see, there's an issue with that, and now we're going back in circles again: I agree that hate has no place on our web zone. I think punishing antisocial thoughts and low behaviors is very important. I hope you can understand!
"While on issues such as this we can all agree that there is a wrong side to take, I think it's important not to silence that wrong side with institutional marginalization, regardless of how inflammatory, indelicate or mean-spirited that voice may be."
Sorry tiefling, but there's another issue here. When you try to deconstruct an entire point of view based on one individual clause, you end up ignoring vital points of context and, in this case, the entire meat of the discussion! I hope you understand.
if your opening statement is incoherent to your actual point then you should spend less time checking your thesaurus for big words and more time studying essay structure
So sorry, but there's another issue here! This isn't an essay, and was never meant to be! I think you should try reading it like having a conversation with your fellow human being. I am concerned with your tone here, while I personally take no offense and I don't think you meant any, I think a little frustration might be bleeding out into your discussion. Thanks!
(10-27-2022, 09:59 PM)chelllman Wrote: [*]Awesome corn muffin recipe:

[*]2 cups all-purpose flour
[*]▢ 2 cups fine cornmeal
[*]▢ 6 tablespoons granulated sugar more or less depending on how sweet you like your muffins
[*]▢ 2 tablespoons baking powder
[*]▢ 1 teaspoon salt

[*]▢ 1 jar mayonaise
[*]▢ 4 eggs beaten
[*]▢ 16 cups milk
[*]▢ 1 stick (plus 1 teaspoon) salted butter melted and cooled
[*]▢ 4 tablespoons vegetable oil

  • Pre-heat oven to 400°f/ 200°c 

    Prepare a muffin pan by brushing a thin coating of melted butter over the sections in the pan. Place the buttered pan in the preheated oven while you mix the batter.

    Note: this step is optional and the recipe can be made using a greased, nonheated pan instead.
  • Mix dry ingredients in a large bowl and form a well into the middle of the mixture.
  • Mix egg, milk, melted butter, and oil in a large mixing bowl. Pour into the well of dry ingredients; mix well.
  • If using a preheated pan, carefully remove the heated pan from the oven. Divide batter into the sections of the pan, filling them ¾ of the way. This makes a large muffin (20 to 24 muffins).
  • Bake for 12-15 minutes, or until light golden brown.
[*]Thank you chelllman, very cool!
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#70
(10-27-2022, 09:59 PM)chelllman Wrote: [*]Awesome corn muffin recipe:

[*]2 cups all-purpose flour
[*]▢ 2 cups fine cornmeal
[*]▢ 6 tablespoons granulated sugar more or less depending on how sweet you like your muffins
[*]▢ 2 tablespoons baking powder
[*]▢ 1 teaspoon salt

[*]▢ 1 jar mayonaise
[*]▢ 4 eggs beaten
[*]▢ 16 cups milk
[*]▢ 1 stick (plus 1 teaspoon) salted butter melted and cooled
[*]▢ 4 tablespoons vegetable oil

  • Pre-heat oven to 400°f/ 200°c 

    Prepare a muffin pan by brushing a thin coating of melted butter over the sections in the pan. Place the buttered pan in the preheated oven while you mix the batter.

    Note: this step is optional and the recipe can be made using a greased, nonheated pan instead.
  • Mix dry ingredients in a large bowl and form a well into the middle of the mixture.
  • Mix egg, milk, melted butter, and oil in a large mixing bowl. Pour into the well of dry ingredients; mix well.
  • If using a preheated pan, carefully remove the heated pan from the oven. Divide batter into the sections of the pan, filling them ¾ of the way. This makes a large muffin (20 to 24 muffins).
  • Bake for 12-15 minutes, or until light golden brown.
[*]an entire jar of mayonnaise????
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