[Ryan722]

Hi, sorry this has gotten out of hand but there was briefly an actual constructive discussion happening which is hard to come by these days. Please stop shit posting, derailing, etc. This thread isn't about Skullfire nor sauces (honey mustard goated though).

[slater]

i think murph and nate put it best…

[tiefling lesbian]

Honestly I think my only problem with Tief  is overstepping boundaries by reaching out for private discord/foxka stuff. The rest is all opinion that can go either way. The multi server shit is really up to dink ,but if he hasn't responded or said anything then it is what it is. No one can get to him

I want to again clarify since it may get lost in all of that, I did not reach out to foxka. They reached out to me to ask my opinion on their POTENTIAL staff app (which they had not made yet at the time), and I brought up only the guidelines vandalism incident, which I was using as comment on their untrustworthiness, NOT to solicit leaks from dong's server (which I was still in at the time).

[happy]

Honestly I think my only problem with Tief  is overstepping boundaries by reaching out for private discord/foxka stuff. The rest is all opinion that can go either way. The multi server shit is really up to dink ,but if he hasn't responded or said anything then it is what it is. No one can get to him

I want to again clarify since it may get lost in all of that, I did not reach out to foxka. They reached out to me to ask my opinion on their POTENTIAL staff app (which they had not made yet at the time), and I brought up only the guidelines vandalism incident, which I was using as comment on their untrustworthiness, NOT to solicit leaks from dong's server (which I was still in at the time).

ah then my bad looking back i think the screenshots are in reverse order on the doc

[chapman]

Honestly I think my only problem with Tief  is overstepping boundaries by reaching out for private discord/foxka stuff. The rest is all opinion that can go either way. The multi server shit is really up to dink ,but if he hasn't responded or said anything then it is what it is. No one can get to him

I want to again clarify since it may get lost in all of that, I did not reach out to foxka. They reached out to me to ask my opinion on their POTENTIAL staff app (which they had not made yet at the time), and I brought up only the guidelines vandalism incident, which I was using as comment on their untrustworthiness, NOT to solicit leaks from dong's server (which I was still in at the time).

My response got buried due to Skullfire's yapping session but you did reach out to me about discord stuff unsolicited. I believe that you were doing so to gather information. Of course, I have no proof of such accusation, but the timing of you reaching out to me was right when BillyBob made a thread about the Day of Defeat Model (thread here: Billybob Thread) (which to my understanding), you were complaining about it in the staff discord.  (Image for Proof of contact)

This contact was random, to say the least. You had no interaction with me between November of 2022 until January this year.


The rest of the points made are opinion based, but this is the only one I think I have a legit issue with. I don't think it means you should be demoted, but I think there needs to be a conversation about boundaries. If someone comes to you about something that's going on, that's great; however, you actively seeking information by trying to be in discords with people you don't like is borderline creepy behavior.

Please correct me on this if I'm mistaken, but I don't think I am. I have no further comments to make on this situation.

[Foxka]

Honestly I think my only problem with Tief  is overstepping boundaries by reaching out for private discord/foxka stuff. The rest is all opinion that can go either way. The multi server shit is really up to dink ,but if he hasn't responded or said anything then it is what it is. No one can get to him

I want to again clarify since it may get lost in all of that, I did not reach out to foxka. They reached out to me to ask my opinion on their POTENTIAL staff app (which they had not made yet at the time), and I brought up only the guidelines vandalism incident, which I was using as comment on their untrustworthiness, NOT to solicit leaks from dong's server (which I was still in at the time).

You are missing the part where that was the 3rd time you brought up that incident and tried to place fault onto me but ok i guess...

I have no further comments for now but I don't want you to be out here acting like you didn't pester me about this several times. It makes me genuinely uncomfortable to be interrogated like that after having had to ask you to just leave it alone.

[tiefling lesbian]

My response got buried due to Skullfire's yapping session but you did reach out to me about discord stuff unsolicited. I believe that you were doing so to gather information. Of course, I have no proof of such accusation, but the timing of you reaching out to me was right when BillyBob made a thread about the Day of Defeat Model (thread here: Billybob Thread) (which to my understanding), you were complaining about it in the staff discord. 


The rest of the points made are opinion based, but this is the only one I think I have a legit issue with. I don't think it means you should be demoted, but I think there needs to be a conversation about boundaries. If someone comes to you about something that's going on, that's great; however, you actively seeking information by trying to be in discords with people you don't like is borderline creepy behavior.

Yes, I did ask about your server while looking into staff chat leaks. You said you didn't have one anymore and that was that. Other than that I asked around about who was friends with who to keep an eye out for who might have been leaking. I never gave any false pretenses about why I was asking, and I don't believe there are any moral restrictions on admins asking around the community for staff matters.

And like I said before, I was initially invited to dong's discord by jack to hang out with some friends that were there at the time. I didn't even know the discord existed before that.

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You are missing the part where that was the 3rd time you brought up that incident and tried to place fault onto me but ok i guess...

I have no further comments for now but I don't want you to be out here acting like you didn't pester me about this several times. It makes me genuinely uncomfortable to be interrogated like that after having had to ask you to just leave it alone.

I briefly asked you about it in my initial investigation as you were one of several names brought up, said thanks and was on my way. I briefly asked you about it a 2nd time after you were specifically name dropped about having been told about it while it was happening, in which you lied (again) about being told about it while it was happening, but you said you didn't want to be involved so I dropped it. I didn't bring it up again until YOU approached ME for my opinion, which I gave you. Please stop trying to fabricate some longstanding harassment campaign against you.

[chapman]

I briefly asked you about it in my initial investigation as you were one of several names brought up, said thanks and was on my way. I briefly asked you about it a 2nd time after you were specifically name dropped about having been told about it while it was happening, in which you lied about being told about it while it was happening, but you said you didn't want to be involved so I dropped it. I didn't bring it up again until YOU approached ME for my opinion, which I gave you. Stop trying to fabricate some longstanding harassment campaign against you.

I want to clarify something about the LFD2 tourney and the staff guidelines really quickly. I told Foxka about it during the tournament and caribou had taken my spot on that team after myself and a few others were having a bit of fun with the guidelines' being editable. 


Thank you for responding to my prior comment.

[Damien]

the fact that almost none of the evidence or points made against tiefling are grounds for demotion kinda proves the point this post was made in saltiness to try and get the last admin (who's the only real voice as a ttt admin for everyone who is either feminine presenting or part of the queer/lgbtq+ community in dink's) out so the misogynistic racist assholes can run rampant on the server and excuse their own behavior when they get called out for shitty behavior by downplaying what they were called out for and saying "but this person said they hated straight white men 2 years ago!!!".

The only real thing to even consider is the outside discords being brought up into dinklejecture which in reality outside discords shouldn't matter unless there's encouragement of harassment or other really fucked up behavior from staff members in it (which from what I've seen, is the case lol. don't try to pretend it's different). 

Also, the bunny burrow thing is really fucking petty and everyone involved in making that known to the public should be ashamed of themselves lmao, literally sending your pick me friend in there to lurk and grab screenies is psychotic and you should get help if tiefling staffing and helping out another ttt server makes you this upset.

edit* small clarification

[Lost My Car To Gambling]

I'm just going to speak from my opinion and my opinion alone on this, This is not a reflection of any of the other admins on the team. I will Tho, share some of my opinions on how I feel / some personal things that are affecting me. 
 
1. My current state / Values
To address this first

 
First off, Let me state I was never voted in, I was asked to be discord admin, which was a role I was originally against taking but agreed to in the end, at the time, it was supposed to just be until someone else took the mantle, but after a while I grew to like it, I enjoy trying to make new features and improving the discord, and I’m(at most times) proud of where the discord it at.
 
A little background, back in 2021, Some of you may remember the guy who would join PH and post unspeakable IMGUR links. Unfortunately, back then, the discord relay would auto-populate with the image, It was late night so after being told about him being back I went to try and delete the shit from the relay... lets just say some people are truly fucked. I ended up having to spend quite a bit of time in therapy and took some time away from the server. To this day every time someone brings up pedo related convo or shit, there is a chance I have a flashback/breakdown. Just for full clarity, I don't see the work Pedo and instantly breakdown, but sometimes when the topic is prevalent I just remember shit and it hits me, I think a fair few staff from around that time period who dealt with those images can relate. Over my tenure of 2 years in the admin team and 3 1/2 years staffing I've been involved in dealing with numerous situations involving a wide range of topics removing quite a lot of people from this community that don't deserve to be here.
 
Not going to lie I'm near my breaking point Tho. The only thing holding me here is my love for the community and not wanting it to fall apart. That being said, these last 2 months have been hell. And being told constantly that "Upper Staff/Admins are pedos/sexual predators or people who defend pedos / sexual predators, is really de-moralising when in your time you have worked against these things, at times with the cost of your own mental health. 
 
 
2. Transparency 
The timing at which Reina’s resignation was posted was probably the worst time for me to have major dink stuff going on, I had 2 assignments due that weekend, I was handing over my team at work to the person taking over from me and was packing up my life ready to come to America for the next few months. I still have dumped 30+ hours into dealing / reading /responding to people over the course of this period because I don’t want this community to keep de-railing and go forwards. 
 
 




Yes, the explanation could have been a lot better given more time, in saying that Tho, at the time people were already calling out why no action had been taken and why some of these people were still in the discord/around, whichever way you look at it, some people were going to be unhappy. 
 
For at least transparency on my side on the discord side of things, even in those 11 days, some days I was not looking at punishments, I was having a few day breaks of time not looking at dinks due to the aforementioned mental issues and the amount that topic was being brought up. As far as "posting evidence, that's half the reason it hasn't been deleted, so people can go up and look themselves. I will admit that I was in a rush to get those punishments out in the end, before I flew to America and didn't feel like dealing with dinks shit whilst overcoming jetlag. So that's my bad. When it came to the punishment time lengths, severity and involvement were the main contributing factors. 
 
As for some of the "other people" that were brought up, some cases have been closed out with no punishment, and some I just haven't for around to yet. Its kind of hard to find time to deal with everything with new issues popping up daily. 
 
As for the fine-line comment, ill just copy and paste what I have sent to others. 
Unfortunately, there is the issue of protecting people from further harassment vs giving full context to the person banned, its a difficult line to walk and I will say there is much discussion about it. I don't think personally any of us are truly qualified in decision making and where to stand on this.
 
Realistically that comment about admins falling of the line is your opinion, and the opinion of others, its not true or false statement. And in terms of your statement about our discussion with people, its a very dangerous line to walk. Realistically there is no winning at the end of the day, finding the balance is difficult when neither side of dinks wants to meet in the middle right now, protect the victims blindly or allow for defending and possible retaliation harassment. I always suspected a callout post about transparency about this would happen. 
I remember thinking back then there is no real way to reveal the evidence without revealing the people. At the time I called it being stuck between a rock and a hard place. With the two groups ready to call you out for “not defending women” or “transparency / getting the other side of the story”. As someone who values trying to be unbiased it wasn’t great, best I could do was hear the defendants side if they asked.
 
Although I am going to say, if you come to the admin team with an issue, do not manipulate evidence, falsify evidence, or just straight up lie to paint someone in a worse picture. It severely damages our ability to trust the evidence we are presented with and therefore actively creates an environment that is less safe for women.
 
In my honest opinion, the bans were valid for the timeframe.
 
 
3) The Community
I want to emphasize the point that being a staff member is not a paid position, its people volunteering their time to help and improve a gmod community which they enjoy playing.
The shear number of hours that have been put in lately by staff to try and sort shit out has been the most I’ve seen in since being here. Noone I think is actually really 100% over what to do in every situation, I am trying, I may not always hit the nail on the head, but I am trying.
 
There are people in the community that do not have any love for it, they just want to see it burn for their own entertainment. To those people, politely fuck off. I’m over dealing with people that don’t genuinely want to try and improve the community, they just complain and stir up shit.
 
To the People that enjoy and have love for the community, thankyou for sticking around. Reach out with anything you want, and whilst I can’t promise you it will be handled exactly the way you want it to be, as least we can try and work on a solution together.
 
I will do some another post when I have time to talk about the discord staff stuff in particular.