[tons4583]

For the longest time since I have been on the server, I have no idea why sprays are disabled. There's no harm in them, and their can be rules if need be. I see sprays as a form of expression. Everyone usually has their own personal spray that are around the map and its always fun to see. But they're disabled on this server, so it takes away that artistic feel. 

Please, I need answers!



And if possible, Can we see sprays in the future?

[Mr_Rippe]

This server is popular and has a community well known for being trolls. If sprays were allowed, we'd see a lot of porn & gore. I doubt they'll be making a return any time soon.

[Rhapsody]

People are going to give you an answer like "sprays are disabled because of pornographic content", but this is the result of a bigger issue. sv_allowupload and sv_allowdownload are the two convars that, when disabled, prevent sprays from being used. In particular, sv_allowupload, when disabled, prevents users from uploading files to the server (in most cases, sprays). sv_allowdownload is what allows the client to request downloads from the server (again, in the form of sprays more often than not). Both of these convars are heavily protected in that, outside of using an exploit, you can only upload sprays with them. When using an exploit, however, you can do some pretty nasty things, like uploading a module to the server (a .dll or .so that the server will automatically load provided it's in the right directory), and then transmitting a module to the client (here's an example of exactly that, done by someone who's now a Garry's Mod developer as an example of how much worse it could be) or downloading clientside lua files from the server (stealing content). FastDL works even with these disabled because the server directs you to download from an outside domain; the files are hosted on the website, not the server.

In general, this is why sprays can't be used. You can see your own spray, and people can see your spray if they've seen it before on a server that has these convars enabled, which is why you can see certain other people's sprays. There are methods to fix the exploits that exist with these convars, but in general, it's safer to either use an alternative spray system that uses image files (like SprayMesh) and tells you who sprayed what, or to disable the spray system entirely.

In other words, I'm saying that, although disabling sprays was a desirable result, it's the side effect of a larger issue.

[tons4583]

This server is popular and has a community well known for being trolls. If sprays were allowed, we'd see a lot of porn & gore. I doubt they'll be making a return any time soon.

Thats why I believe we can easily regulate it. I know with sprays you can see who placed them, and if its porn/gore, we can have the warning system of 

Warning 1- slay
Warning 2- kick
Warning 3- Ban

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 it's safer to either use an alternative spray system that uses image files (like SprayMesh and tells you who sprayed what, or to disable the spray system entirely.

In other words, I'm saying that, although disabling sprays was a desirable result, it's the side effect of a larger issue.

Has Dink ever tried using SprayMesh? It looks pretty good.

[boba]

This server is popular and has a community well known for being trolls. If sprays were allowed, we'd see a lot of porn & gore. I doubt they'll be making a return any time soon.

Thats why I believe we can easily regulate it. I know with sprays you can see who placed them, and if its porn/gore, we can have the warning system of 

Warning 1- slay
Warning 2- kick
Warning 3- Ban

---

 it's safer to either use an alternative spray system that uses image files (like SprayMesh and tells you who sprayed what, or to disable the spray system entirely.

In other words, I'm saying that, although disabling sprays was a desirable result, it's the side effect of a larger issue.

Has Dink ever tried using SprayMesh? It looks pretty good.

I doubt they should be slain. Rather it should be like this:
Punishment 1: Warn
Punishment 2: Warn / Kick
Punishment 3: Kick 
Punishment 4: ban

Slaying does nothing, to be honest especially for a spray.

[tons4583]

This server is popular and has a community well known for being trolls. If sprays were allowed, we'd see a lot of porn & gore. I doubt they'll be making a return any time soon.

Thats why I believe we can easily regulate it. I know with sprays you can see who placed them, and if its porn/gore, we can have the warning system of 

Warning 1- slay
Warning 2- kick
Warning 3- Ban

---

 it's safer to either use an alternative spray system that uses image files (like SprayMesh and tells you who sprayed what, or to disable the spray system entirely.

In other words, I'm saying that, although disabling sprays was a desirable result, it's the side effect of a larger issue.

Has Dink ever tried using SprayMesh? It looks pretty good.

I doubt they should be slain. Rather it should be like this:
Punishment 1: Warn
Punishment 2: Warn / Kick
Punishment 3: Kick 
Punishment 4: ban

Slaying does nothing, to be honest especially for a spray.

I see slaying as teaching a lesson.

[Drew]

You can't check who sprayed something. That is why we removed it in the first place.

[Avi]

A server I staff for currently uses SprayMesh for sprays.  It's a bit more complicated to set up a spray, but a good alternative.  This helps to get around the exploit, and you are able to see who sprays the spray, SteamID, and image link (type Spraymesh_shownames in console).  If you want to see what that looks like I can post an image.

I tend to find staffing with sprays to be tedious at times.  If someone does spray something inappropriate, then you have to watch and make sure they don't do it again or spray it somewhere difficult to spot.  Also, when there aren't staff on to handle it, that raises the issue of removing it/reporting it.  You would also need to define the line between appropriate and inappropriate content.

Personally, Im neutral on the subject of sprays and whether or not to add them to the server.

[Drew]

I tend to find staffing with sprays to be tedious at times.  If someone does spray something inappropriate, then you have to watch and make sure they don't do it again or spray it somewhere difficult to spot.  Also, when there aren't staff on to handle it, that raises the issue of removing it/reporting it.  You would also need to define the line between appropriate and inappropriate content.

Personally, Im neutral on the subject of sprays and whether or not to add them to the server.

This is my major problem with any kind of spray. Staff have better things to be doing than tracking down trolls who are spraying porn everywhere.

[TDawg4]

^ -1 stupid character count.