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12-10-2024, 12:29 PM
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I'm going to say -1 due to the fact you keep harassing people when you get unbanned, and you have been banned before and have tried evading it.
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if gmod is your favorite game you can always just play on a different server
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Honestly, I'm going to +1 only because I as a person am statistically more likely to want to give people second chances as Christmas draws near and what kind of Rand would I be if I didn't uphold that?
Don't be dumb. Very short leash. All that jazz.
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+1 but perm gag for a bit to tone down the harrassment that BG is referring to?
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(12-10-2024, 07:16 PM)Snow (3) Wrote: +1 but perm gag for a bit to tone down the harrassment that BG is referring to? To address harassment. I was never harassing people whenever I got unbanned. BG joined in Aug 2024, quite some time after this ban. BG and I never played in the same time period I don't think. None of my appeals involve harassment other than the most recent one, which was with 1 member of staff. It is not a "fact" that I keep harassing people when I get unbanned. It was a one time thing, so I'm not sure why BG would say this. He's never met me as a player or talked to me as a person.
To address other reports that involve toxicity before an admin brings it up. They are personal, two sided and generally start with me being killed. In the 9 years or so that I have played, and if you look at every damage log, the latter will show that sometimes I was the instigator. But in that amount of time you're bound to have some cases which you are. Nothing was ever daily or consistent enough so as to depict me as a player who "just likes to RDM" and harass people. Because that's not why I log into dinks.
Forums have turned into people getting caught in the crossfire of personal feuds and reports leading to them being totally antagonized and -1 just for the sake of typing -1. And good people never get to play again because of this. regulars are extremely quick to paint someone as a vibe terrorist and hateful player, when they don't even really know who they are. "This person is appealing a lot, so they must be a horrible person" has become a way more common view than any positive outlook.
The same people who -1 I'm sure have done worse behind closed doors in their actual lives, and have much worse to worry about of themselves.
The line of banning people because they deserve it and just because some people like the power of word, has been immensely blurred. There are people who are banned because they really deserve it, like the teenagers who get on to scream slurrs in the mic. Or people who get on with only 1 intention of RDMing and getting reported as soon as possible then leaving and never touching the server again. And other players who are banned simply because admins want them to be. There has always been an issue of certain players wanting to keep the server smaller and that will never be non-existent. Admins can RDM Admins but if a guest does it they must be held accountable.
I never take anything to reports. Because I don't think anyone should ever get in trouble in a video game unless they are an actual vibe terrorist hacker or delinquent (the true purpose of forums). So I've always taken it to some lighthearted revenge RDM (I don't anymore after being indefinite) which contributes to certain cases against me and being reported by them even though, excuse my 3rd grade phrase, they started it. Ultimately ending in me taking the decisive blame. I have grown from this on the server and it will not be a problem.
I am taking accountability here for the evasion. Not the issues that have already been appealed for.
Other than personal disagreements, I have never attempted to greatly offend anyone with any sort of extreme disregard.
This instance and most recent ban was petty argument with a staff member leading to a 7 day target ban (Ryanbrr's note in images on the appeal). I felt like the ban was unjust and more personal. But this is GMod. Not Law & Order. So I evaded the ban knowing I would get an indefinite. I defended myself poorly and the ban evasion was not lifted.
The ban evasion is indisputable.
I don't use my microphone, I only alt walk, and I only use lenny keybinds. A gag wouldn't change much so I'm more than willing to accept those terms
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12-10-2024, 11:58 PM
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I don't care about your ban. Just letting you know that since BG is staff, he can see just about everything related to your ban history, regardless of when he joined the server (Which was late May 2024 according to Gametracker.) Don't knock somebody down, because they likely know way more than you think they know.
EDIT: Also Jesus christ why is thast specific line of text in the middle so damn small?
For the lazy it says:
"And good people never get to play again because of this. regulars are extremely quick to paint someone as a vibe terrorist and hateful player, when they don't even really know who they are. "This person is appealing a lot, so they must be a horrible person" has become a way more common view than any positive outlook.
The same people who -1 I'm sure have done worse behind closed doors in their actual lives, and have much worse to worry about of themselves.
The line of banning people because they deserve it and just because some people like the power of word, has been immensely blurred. There are people who are banned because they really deserve it, like the teenagers who get on to scream slurrs in the mic. Or people who get on with only 1 intention of RDMing and getting reported as soon as possible then leaving and never touching the server again. And other players who are banned simply because admins want them to be. There has always been an issue of certain players wanting to keep the server smaller and that will never be non-existent. Admins can RDM Admins but if a guest does it they must be held accountable. "
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+ 1
I believe in redemption and people changing. The length of time is also a factor. We have let far worse back into the community with low returns on investment and worse outcomes.
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12-11-2024, 05:48 AM
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(12-10-2024, 11:58 PM)August Wrote: since BG is staff, he can see just about everything related to your ban history, regardless of when he joined the server (Which was late May 2024 according to Gametracker.) Don't knock somebody down, because they likely know way more than you think they know.
Sorry I don't mean to be rude, August. But where can you point out that I was knocking somebody down?
BG was -1 because I, "harass people when I get unbanned" and that's just not entirely true. I said above that's not why I log into dinks. So I'm stating that that is incorrect. If you and/or BG or other admin want to go over all of my reports and ban history I would love to break it all down with you if you want to take the time out of your day. But those reports have been settled and already appealed for over the years.
If you decide to go with the "you've already been given too many chances -1" narrative, then I ask the someone else who sees a little bit further than that to consider how long I've been playing, how hard it is to be perfect, how imperfect they actually are, and the direct relation to time played with the influx of opportunities to have a dispute. Not everyone with a lot of time played will have this many reports. I'm just saying to consider it's probability. If you think it all still applies then lets talk about it. Although it took some of the fun out of the game being on the thin ice you have everybody walking on, I have always tried my best to not fall through. I never once was unbanned and excited about how I can now stack more reports. Nobody is, but that isn't my goal. You can say that this doesn't matter but I think the way someone views these things do matter.
I've never harassed anyone who hasn't harassed me, rdm, prop kill, targeted me, whatever. I have taken revenge but stopped since these situations give me more misfortune.
The harassment reports were initially, as I've stated in the message you're replying to, two-sided, personal and at the most, petty between two idiot gamers. All of that has been swept under the rug and the past is the past between me, them, and whichever admin desires to dig into it. So "due to the fact that you keep harassing people when you get unbanned" Is a bit of an overstatement and feels more like an attempt at character assassination to someone you don't really know. Too brim and undeserving of a -1. Do you disagree?
It's similar to a judge looking at a murder trial, seeing the word murder, and giving the deathe penalty. Without ever being conveyed the vital information that it was in self defense.
Like I said this isn't Law & Order. And Not all of my cases are clean. This just seems to be a quick conviction.
Many people don't have a problem with dropping a "nah -1", just because. It's clear that some forumers find satisfaction in keeping undeserving people out, inevitably ending with the judgement that "rules are rules". And I understand. Keeping the server nice small tidy clean and perfect, just the way they want it, enforcing the rules to every degree even if they aren't entirely clean themselves.
I don't judge nor do I have a problem with any vindictive player in specific. And I'm not avoiding accountability for this ban evasion appeal or any of my reports.
Only that I've fallen into the category of -74 reputation because I didn't "just say sorry" and gave admins more to respond to with any kind of counter argument they can think up.
I made the one mistake nobody should ever make in forums: d e f e n d y o u r s e l f
Furthermore I only pointed out his newness to enforce the idea that BG might not have been there when any of this took place. Even if he can see just about see everything related to my ban history, there might still be key points that haven't been recorded, and that matters.
So just know if anything I say gets a little bit twisted that I don't want any problems with anyone. But I think it's the other way around, he is knocking me down. I didn't address it because it offends me, I addressed it because I wanted to make it clear that his statement wasn't entirely true. I apologize (unsarcastically before this is read out of context) If I offended BG on your behalf. I only stated that what was said was fact, wasn't entirely fact. And should be looked at with a little more thoughtfulness
BG says -1 because of two reasons, that of which only 1 was true, ban evasion. Which the appeal debt has been paid as the initial reason of my indefinite ban. Which is why I'm making this appeal 8 months later. Where the desired date of appeal was 10/27/2024. or somewhere around there. I'm not knocking anybody down. I'm sure BG is a good lad, and he could also tell me that himself
Duly noted, just because someone has ban history and report logs on them doesn't mean they won't make the same mistakes. Doesn't mean they will make the same mistakes. Doesn't make them any more or less undeserving.
Just because an admin has ban history and report logs to look into doesn't mean they know the situation in its entirety. Someone can have an RDM report against them or in this case harassment, but other factors coming from the other parties involved not definitively included. I'm not trying to knock down anyone from their power position here, I'm sure the good old -1 never eluded either of you. Only making the point that you can have missing pieces, even if you are Staff.
I'd also be willing to debate that the people involved know much more than you think you know, you know? Most people aren't trying to lie under anyone else's insight. Let's have conversations with our defendants before we assume they deserve the hammer, ya?
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